CX from Dubai
 

i am booked onto CX from DXB to HKG on Monday , i have taken this flight a few times but just noticed the flight has changed to the 3 class 330 , with Prem Econ added , does that mean the flight will have the new style Business Class seats?

Most likely be the New Regional Business class, not the full business seats. But all depends on what aircraft they are going to operate at the day.

Wrong. If it's a 330 with Premium Economy (ie. a 33G), it'll also have the new long-haul business class seats. By definition, any aircraft with regional business class seats will not have premium economy.

Ah, thanks for clearing it up...

CX from Dubai
 

Thanks for that, I will look forward to the flight then

No More PE to Dubai
 

Does anyone know why CX is pulling PE out of HKG-DXB-HKG flights? I have a trip planned for early 2016 and was told PE would no longer be available on the Dubai route.

CX is pulling PE from all Indian/ME routes - load factors and effective fleet utilisation are the two main reasons. At this point in time PE seems to be a very much western thing particularly popular with Europeans and Australians. I think Indians etc. Just want cheapest fare or J but nothing in between. EK/EY/QR/AI/9W don't yet have PE so the market isn't used to it or matured enough yet to make it worth CX's while.

CX from DXB and vv are essentially ferry flights for the Filipino community working in Dubai, and hence market for the "in-between"ers are pretty small.

Essentially all CX flights to the ME are ferry flights for Filipinos, with 90% of the economy class occupied by guest workers, you do get the occasional Vietnamese and Indonesian guest worker group, however.

good luck with the cold plonk that they serve onboard...... that one flight i had to go for food at the arrivals (normally i just go there for a shower)

interesting analysis

Taiwanese love PEY seats. That's why when EVA launched this it was wildly successful. I remember decades ago when I call and try to book PEY they are usually booked out months in advanced! Not sure how good EVA is selling them now, but it was a marvel concept back then.

You are right PEY appeals to those, if spending own money, that are actually "rich enough" to pay 200% Y price, but not rich enough to go all the way to J. However, the problem with this is usually people that do pay out of pocket gets sour very fast on the lack of improvement proportionate to price paid. Seriously, when CX expect people to pay extra $1200-$1500 for a PEY seat it can't be just an inch wider with a footstool (if you're not the front row), that's embarrassing. It should at least be what the new KA-J seats are like.

Unfortunately, CX has bought into the "cheapness trickle-down theory". They needed to cut J offering so PEY can't be too good, otherwise if PEY is almost as good as J people will fly PEY and not J! So instead of making J really spectacular (fine dining food and beverages selections, excellent all-around services, lounge-bar relax area), they've decided to make PEY really weak to justify high J prices. Horrible.

The KA J seats ain't that great either, as I am not sure why they haven't got a footrest.

I'm afraid you need to remember that PE is an economy plus product and not a business minus product. The fact is that CX PE is on par or better than most of its PE competitors and shouldn't be compared or even associated with business class. It is certainly better than BR's PE product which is very much simply a better economy seat with very few other bells and whistles. What's more if CX were to do as you suggested with their J product they would cannibalise F revenue dramatically which would be financially foolish.

The moral of this story? If you want a J product pay for and fly J.

Then they should price it like that, don't price is as Business minus and give Economy plus.

No it's not, and don't just compare width and pitch.

No they won't because: 1) Few are buying into F anyway and most of them are just AA redemptions. 2) People fly F because they are on the top of the mountain and don't really give a hoo about what's happening below them. I have a hard time seeing a super banker gets "upset" about CX improving J and PEY to a point that they would boycott CX F and instead just fly CX J because of it. They fly F because of who they are in status and identity, not sitting at home carefully comparing over details of differentiation and get the "better deal".

Like to talk to yourself much?