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hau cheng Jan 22, 2012 4:44 am

BN question
 
Im off to DPS this week and logged on exactly as the online check in kicked in 48 hours before, looking for a BN of 1 or so. For some reason my BN was 44. Any ideas how this was the case?

newtoairfrance Jan 22, 2012 5:09 am


Originally Posted by hau cheng (Post 17862364)
Im off to DPS this week and logged on exactly as the online check in kicked in 48 hours before, looking for a BN of 1 or so. For some reason my BN was 44. Any ideas how this was the case?

Connecting pax/special tour groups/checkin opened earlier.
What is this obsession with bn1

ChrisLi Jan 22, 2012 6:02 am


Originally Posted by newtoairfrance (Post 17862438)
Connecting pax/special tour groups/checkin opened earlier.
What is this obsession with bn1

As Silver I normally can't be bothered, but for peak holiday season doing BN-1 certainly can land you an OP-UP (I did TPE turn on Xmas and got a Op-up)

hau cheng Jan 22, 2012 6:04 am


Originally Posted by newtoairfrance (Post 17862438)
Connecting pax/special tour groups/checkin opened earlier.
What is this obsession with bn1

Connecting pax 48 hours before a flight? The BN helps with op-ups during peak times.

newtoairfrance Jan 22, 2012 6:50 am


Originally Posted by hau cheng (Post 17862587)
Connecting pax 48 hours before a flight? The BN helps with op-ups during peak times.

Yes connecting pax lets say they can also olci48 hours before their flight and of course their flight will be before this flight so olci for the subsequent sector will also be open

As for BN I am not 100% convinced that it really affects the opup that much
I have been bn2xx for the last few flights and had opup on them

CX HK Jan 22, 2012 7:21 am

Well the "science" behind the BN has never been confirmed but it certainly can't hurt your chances, and even if it helps your changes a little it's worth it.

QRC3288 Jan 22, 2012 8:20 am


Originally Posted by newtoairfrance (Post 17862730)
Yes connecting pax lets say they can also olci48 hours before their flight and of course their flight will be before this flight so olci for the subsequent sector will also be open

Nope....simply not true. If your first sector is 48 hours out, and the second one is say 52 hours out (or any amount over 48 hours), even if it's on the same itinerary only the first flight is available for OLCI. Each sector must be 48 hours out or less.

ernestnywang Jan 22, 2012 9:25 am


Originally Posted by hau cheng (Post 17862364)
Im off to DPS this week and logged on exactly as the online check in kicked in 48 hours before, looking for a BN of 1 or so. For some reason my BN was 44. Any ideas how this was the case?

Most likely because of tour groups. They want to make sure they can seat together.

CX HK Jan 22, 2012 9:37 am


Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 17863360)
Most likely because of tour groups. They want to make sure they can seat together.

Which wouldn't make a difference to op-up because tour groups rarely get op-ups.

cxfan1960 Jan 22, 2012 12:46 pm


Originally Posted by QRC3288 (Post 17863069)
Nope....simply not true. If your first sector is 48 hours out, and the second one is say 52 hours out (or any amount over 48 hours), even if it's on the same itinerary only the first flight is available for OLCI. Each sector must be 48 hours out or less.

That is what I remember too.

hau cheng Jan 22, 2012 5:49 pm

Thanks guys for the suggestions. If a tour group I wonder how 44 sets of data could be entered in the time it took me to do just one? Anyway, just curious, thanks.

QRC3288 Jan 22, 2012 6:30 pm


Originally Posted by hau cheng (Post 17866443)
Thanks guys for the suggestions. If a tour group I wonder how 44 sets of data could be entered in the time it took me to do just one? Anyway, just curious, thanks.

I'm not sure. I know when I've traveled with 3 or 4 people at the same time before, I can check in for all of us at the same time. So maybe a TA managed to do some massive check-in for 44 people? I'm not sure, to be honest (although I am sure that it wasn't pax on connecting flights checking in before the 48 hours, as suggested earlier).

sxc Jan 22, 2012 6:33 pm

As I've mentioned before, my sources say that BN doesn't play a part in upgrades.

daniellam Jan 22, 2012 11:22 pm


Originally Posted by hau cheng (Post 17866443)
Thanks guys for the suggestions. If a tour group I wonder how 44 sets of data could be entered in the time it took me to do just one? Anyway, just curious, thanks.

The group check-in desk at the airport can easily do so!

They can even issue 44 sets of boarding passes and baggage tags before the group arrives at the airport.

hadsst Jan 23, 2012 10:14 am

Not sure if it is related - I read from the newspaper that from this year tour group operators can give the travellers' passports to airlines 'a few days' before departure for speedier check-in.

ernestnywang Jan 23, 2012 11:29 am


Originally Posted by hau cheng (Post 17866443)
Thanks guys for the suggestions. If a tour group I wonder how 44 sets of data could be entered in the time it took me to do just one? Anyway, just curious, thanks.

Because that is done prior to T-48.

Marco Polo Jan 24, 2012 6:46 am


Originally Posted by hau cheng (Post 17862364)
Im off to DPS this week and logged on exactly as the online check in kicked in 48 hours before, looking for a BN of 1 or so. For some reason my BN was 44. Any ideas how this was the case?

44
maybe it was a hint
if you are Chinese take the next flight

ac8781 Jan 24, 2012 9:39 am

If BN doesn't matter, then how does CX decide who gets op-up priority for passengers of the same tier?

ie: booking system randomly picks the lucky ones like a lottery?




Originally Posted by sxc (Post 17866652)
As I've mentioned before, my sources say that BN doesn't play a part in upgrades.


CX HK Jan 24, 2012 9:42 am


Originally Posted by ac8781 (Post 17877524)
If BN doesn't matter, then how does CX decide who gets op-up priority for passengers of the same tier?

ie: booking system randomly picks the lucky ones like a lottery?

This is what we all want to know... don't think we ever will have one, solid conclusion though.

haagen_dazs Jan 24, 2012 10:29 am


Originally Posted by Marco Polo (Post 17876455)
44
maybe it was a hint
if you are Chinese take the next flight

LOL

newtoairfrance Jan 24, 2012 8:04 pm


Originally Posted by QRC3288 (Post 17863069)
Nope....simply not true. If your first sector is 48 hours out, and the second one is say 52 hours out (or any amount over 48 hours), even if it's on the same itinerary only the first flight is available for OLCI. Each sector must be 48 hours out or less.

Not true as I did check in 2 sectors + 48 for the 2nd sectors. Sometimes they lock it but sometimes not also it is not always 48+ hours before a flight hence there may be people who check in before u

ernestnywang Jan 25, 2012 8:27 am


Originally Posted by newtoairfrance (Post 17881357)
Not true as I did check in 2 sectors + 48 for the 2nd sectors. Sometimes they lock it but sometimes not also it is not always 48+ hours before a flight hence there may be people who check in before u

I do not know about other airlines, but CX would not let you do that if you are OLCIing for a CX or KA FLT.

Wongo Jan 25, 2012 9:09 am

I done plenty of BN 1 for me and my extended family who travel. I can say it does absolutely nothing about getting an op-up....

QRC3288 Jan 25, 2012 9:11 am


Originally Posted by newtoairfrance (Post 17881357)
Not true as I did check in 2 sectors + 48 for the 2nd sectors. Sometimes they lock it but sometimes not also it is not always 48+ hours before a flight hence there may be people who check in before u

Are you sure? No offense, but I'm still pretty skeptical. Because if so, this is the first time I've ever heard of someone ever being able to do it. In maybe 30-40 itineraries with connected CX/KA segments in the last few years (including two connected segments a few weeks back where I indeed tried), not once have I been allowed to check-in before 48 hours.

CX HK Jan 25, 2012 9:37 am


Originally Posted by QRC3288 (Post 17884222)
Are you sure? No offense, but I'm still pretty skeptical. Because if so, this is the first time I've ever heard of someone ever being able to do it. In maybe 30-40 itineraries with connected CX/KA segments in the last few years (including two connected segments a few weeks back where I indeed tried), not once have I been allowed to check-in before 48 hours.

Count me in with being skeptical despite having them under the same booking, they will only allow you to check in for the flight.

sxc Jan 25, 2012 11:14 pm


Originally Posted by ac8781 (Post 17877524)
If BN doesn't matter, then how does CX decide who gets op-up priority for passengers of the same tier?

ie: booking system randomly picks the lucky ones like a lottery?

I was told it was based on number of years as a member.

traveler18 Jan 26, 2012 10:29 am

I have been told by CX airport managers and even by Wing staff that BN does matter in equal circumstances, but a passenger with a higher BN may still have preference such number of years Diamond or MP, a milestone (miles or years), a problem caused by CX (luggage, downgrade, delay).

What I wander is if they only have to bump up 1 passenger for overselling - but there are two or three Diamonds and several available higher class seats, will they upgrade all of them. I have seen in the MNL-HKG segment where they start upgrading several Diamonds from Y to C - and seats are still available in Y

TalkFlyer Feb 5, 2012 8:25 pm

Can anyone help?
I'm GO & I'll fly J on CX289 8Feb w BN#1. Tried to up-grade F by using mileage but still in wait-listed.
I checked Y (O/N) & J (D) seats still available on cx.com.
Anyone can tell my op-up chance? Also return on 15Feb CX288 if low BN#.

hemz88 Feb 5, 2012 9:04 pm


HKG Hong Kong Intl HK [VHHH]
FRA Frankfurt Metro / Intl DE = FRA HHN [EDDF]
WED 08 Feb 2012

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- --------------------------------------------------
CX 289 HKG 00:25 FRA 06:15 744 F4 A4 J7 C6 D7 I6 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9

using mileage should work as F looks empty


FRA Frankfurt Metro / Intl DE = FRA HHN [EDDF]
HKG Hong Kong Intl HK [VHHH]
WED 15 Feb 2012

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- --------------------------------------------------
CX 288 FRA 13:50 HKG 07:50 744 F4 A4 J2 C0 D0 I0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0

Return J only 2 seats with availability in F

TalkFlyer Feb 5, 2012 10:19 pm

Thx hemz88!
Just called MPC, no F redemption ava. on 8Feb CX289 & my waitlisted deadline was due yesterday & the agent deleted it & remain the return flight waitlisted only.
It seems not many chance in F as there are lots J & Y, or I'll go early at the airport to redeem at the counter.

TalkFlyer Feb 8, 2012 5:24 am

BN#1 helps!
 
Continue my story: Checked my "Manage My Booking" before heading to HKIA but it showed still J & I kept in mind that it's what I paid for!
Drop my bags & asked if any chance to use my mileage but the ground staff said all F & J cabin were full but Y still open!
In the lounge, the Cabin, I felt very relaxing as all thing set & just wait.
At the gate, "beep" sounds while the agent scanning my BN#1 BP & she said Mr Xxx we have a new seat for you.... Wow! Finally I was on 1K & I wondered that such good seat should be selected if anyone paid for it & the F cabin was full but the service was still wonderful as usual!
How can I stop loving CX?!


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