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some suggestions to CX
As in my trip to Melbourne, I can see that on CX105, the ADL-MEL sector, the plane is very light in loading. So, should CX negotiate with the Australian Government for gaining the right to take Domestic passengers in the ADL-MEL sector, providing that they codeshare with Qantas for the domestic sector? (Same case happens in the CX103, the CNS-BNE sector)
Also, should CX resume the use of BA lounge in YYZ, rather than paying $$ to Skyteam? |
I see no reason for the Australian government to allow CX to serve those domestic segments. Sure, it would be good for CX, but codesharing wouldn't really benefit Qantas or Australia.
Those segments only exist to get passengers to/from Hong Kong, and it would be sort of silly if a situation came up as 'sorry we can't fly you HKG-BNE because the BNE-CNS segment is sold out'. |
When I was on CX104/105 ADLMEL a few days ago it was packed. A lot of passengers in transit but a lot also joining in ADL.
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Originally Posted by bpe
(Post 16438413)
I see no reason for the Australian government to allow CX to serve those domestic segments. Sure, it would be good for CX, but codesharing wouldn't really benefit Qantas or Australia.
Those segments only exist to get passengers to/from Hong Kong, and it would be sort of silly if a situation came up as 'sorry we can't fly you HKG-BNE because the BNE-CNS segment is sold out'. Also, the codesharing between CX and QF can help QF to strengthen its domestic networks. |
Originally Posted by derek2010
(Post 16439031)
The situation can be solved by increasing CX156/7 to a daily basis as a compensation, and resume the use of A340-300 to these flights. (even B777-300ER in the future as CX has bought 14 more of the 77W)
Also, the codesharing between CX and QF can help QF to strengthen its domestic networks. |
But, why CX still use A340-300 for flights HKG-FCO and HKG-JNB, as well as HKG-AKL, though CX knows A340-300 is fuel-consuming? B777-300ER should be deployed to save fuel cost.
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Im sure CX would love to be able to carry domestic pax on the intra Australia sectors, but no doubt the government said no, and it is not likely that they would change their minds. CX still operates these tag ons, as someone said above because they are designed to fly pax to and from HKG.
With regard to the YYZ lounge situation. I think CX should definetly switch lounges from the KLM to the BA lounge. The BA lounge is a far superior offering to the KLM lounge, + it is a oneworld member. Ideally though it would be nice of CX could open its own lounge in YYZ now they are double daily. I think CX needs to open a lot more lounges worldwide as they dont have that many outside Asia. |
Originally Posted by derek2010
(Post 16439254)
But, why CX still use A340-300 for flights HKG-FCO and HKG-JNB, as well as HKG-AKL, though CX knows A340-300 is fuel-consuming? B777-300ER should be deployed to save fuel cost.
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Originally Posted by Mrtnw
(Post 16439807)
i`m pretty sure someone did the math
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Originally Posted by sxc
(Post 16439899)
No more likely they make their decisions based on the analysis in Flyertalk.
They probably want to get rid of the 340s and replace them with 777 as soon as they can anyways. |
Originally Posted by bpe
(Post 16440348)
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They probably want to get rid of the 340s and replace them with 777 as soon as they can anyways. I can see CX bought the planes when the fuel prices are relatively low, and the cost-benefit analysis shows profit. However, with ridiculous fuel prices nowadays, despite CX's best attempt to dump them on consumers, they are going to pay much more in cost, and A343 (or any A340) is just not going to be worth it. I'm not surprise if CX internal audit shows those flights by A340 are a losing cost, but they have to keep offering it to stay in market and waiting for more 773ERs to arrive. Fuel prices are making airlines suffered. I read Thai airlines had to cancel New York-Bangkok route because their internal audit shows they need to consistently sell 90% of seats just to break even on every flight!!!! |
iīm pretty sure these calculations will show that flying these planes is making them more money (or costing less) than leaving them on the ground. Of course with new metal coming in there might be more optimal solutions, but I canīt see an airline keep bird in the air for the sake of burning extra money
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Originally Posted by Cathay Boy
(Post 16444246)
Fuel prices are making airlines suffered. I read Thai airlines had to cancel New York-Bangkok route because their internal audit shows they need to consistently sell 90% of seats just to break even on every flight!!!!
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Originally Posted by derek2010
(Post 16438296)
As in my trip to Melbourne, I can see that on CX105, the ADL-MEL sector, the plane is very light in loading. So, should CX negotiate with the Australian Government for gaining the right to take Domestic passengers in the ADL-MEL sector, providing that they codeshare with Qantas for the domestic sector? (Same case happens in the CX103, the CNS-BNE sector)
To be honest, I would prefer CX to delink ADL from MEL and operate a triple daily direct service between MEL and HKG, plus a 4x per week direct service between ADL and HKG. A similar thing may work for CNS and BNE (ie delink CNS from BNE).
Originally Posted by derek2010
But, why CX still use A340-300 for flights HKG-FCO and HKG-JNB, as well as HKG-AKL, though CX knows A340-300 is fuel-consuming? B777-300ER should be deployed to save fuel cost.
What I think CX may do (and this is pure speculation) is to configure some 77W in J/Y+/Y. Not only would this resolve the need to use those thirsty 343, it would also suit the nature of the routes the 343 serves. |
Originally Posted by RickyT
(Post 16446414)
Apart from fuel-consumption, one other factor that CX may choose to operate the 343 is that the markets they serve (eg AKL, DME, FCO and to a certain extent JNB) has insufficient demand to sustain a F cabin and a large J cabin (53 or 57 on the 77W compared to 26 on the 343).
What I think CX may do (and this is pure speculation) is to configure some 77W in J/Y+/Y. Not only would this resolve the need to use those thirsty 343, it would also suit the nature of the routes the 343 serves. |
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