Sure, which is why I can fly QF Y+ for a similar price to a CX K class ticket. Though lets debate the issue you questioned, which is are CX as innovative as Air New Zealand?

Well that means u don't actually travel on CX, then how can you comment about what is on CX and post on this board?

As for innovation, just because CX does not have a Y+ doesn't mean it does not innovate.

Look at both the new Y and F Class. The product itself is quite innovative. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant. There were no other airlines at the time introduced such products. The F Class lavatory on the 744 is also quite innovative and good use of space (using the dead space created by the herringbone J Class). There are also many other examples - such as the F Class luggage check in at HKG, the Wing and Pier Lounges etc..
NZ is an excellent airline, although I never had the opportunity to try its products. However they are definitely not as premium focused as CX given they have scrapped F Class a few years ago.

I am by no means saying CX is perfect. In fact far from it as there are many things I am sure many of the "REAL" CX frequent fliers here agree that has gone downhill (eg. catering standards). But your constant negative post on CX is quite frankly annoying and it really distorts people's views of the airline if they have never travel on it before.

As for the K Class fare on CX. Which routes are u talking about exactly. If it is Aust - HKG I am pretty sure this is a special promo fare u got on QF and given the SAME fare conditions/availability/inventory control etc... I highly doubt QF Y+ can cost less than Y on CX consistently

How similar? I just looked at HKG LHR a few days ago, QF Y+ vs. CX K and the cheapest QF Y+ (a sale price) was >30% more.

But the only reason I wanted a K fare is that I want to upgrade to business class. Otherwise I would have booked a V fare. And the cheapest QF Y+ fare is >80% more than CX V.

Air NZ's Skycouch isn't really all that amazing, because it aims towards a very specific audience. For one thing, if you were really to utilize this "bed", only two people can be sitting in a row with 3 chairs. Further, if the person sitting beside you is a complete stranger, you're most likely not gonna snuggle up with them in a rather awkward sleeping position. And it's not like you can't do this in normal Y classes, it really depends on how many people are in your flight at the time. I've seen people lying flat in normal economy seats when there aren't a lot of people.

I think you should seek help, seriously.

HKG-SYD, promo. LHR -SYD is exorbitant. VS is a cheaper option though they have been getting some rotten reviews service wise.

Can we focus on the Y+ discussion instead of attacking each other please?

I did try.

Therefore you are providing misleading facts again. It is a promo fare and the flexibility/conditions etc... should be a lot different to a K Class on CX.

You are making it sound like CX is charging an excessive fare when compared to QF.

Next time before you speak please check your facts. So the points on innovation...

The difference in conditions on CX K class vs QF Y+ discount (Prem Econ Saver):

Change fee:
CX - Nil
QF - $600/change

Cancellation and no-show fee:
CX - $1200
QF - $1000

Not that much difference in conditions actually, except maybe in availability.

600 is it AUD or HKD for changes?
What about period of travel, is it 1 year (which I think K Class is)

The Y Class saver, is it booked in T or W?

Sorry to go OT, but this maybe a good MR opportunity. But is this a limited promo fare for a limited period. It won't make sense for QF to offer this in the long term.

Fees are in HKD.

Current HKG-SYD QF Y+ fares:

QF Premium Econ Saver = $HK 12000 - which is the conditions I have quoted
QF Premium Econ Super Saver (or something like that) = $HK 9000 - this has same conditions, except the ticket is non refundable
CX K Class = $9000

Thanks. Interestingly how much is QF's K Class eqv?

Oh, I am really laughing. I truly am. Such a witty remark. :rolleyes:

Seriously though, I must make the point that all of your comments rubbishing CX are not informed and unsubstantiated. I am sure that most CX flyers like myself know that CX is not perfect. But, when we fly CX, we know what we are getting, and it is generally excellent. However, this is not the appropriate forum to discuss this.

Back on topic, I think a Y+ class could work on CX, but given that (imo) its Y product is quite good long-haul when compared to many peers that have a Y+ product (VS, BA etc.), it is not crucial that such a product is introduced. I think that it will be a a smaller cabin of perhaps 28-32 seats and not much more. I don't think there will be lounge access as per the JL product, but I think CX might opt for additional extras such as priority check-in, a premium beverage service and an improved snack service onboard (in addition to improved seating, obviously).

I agree with your comments. However I think it is important to consider that if they make Y+ so good it can eat away its premium travellers. I think BA was able to sustain Y+ for a long time as the gap b/w Y+ and Club World is quite big.

But the path NZ is heading may not necessary fit for CX, given CX has a much larger premium market.