Get Ready for the Canada Line to YVR
Jul 28, 2009, 7:36 pm
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Jul 28, 2009, 8:14 pm
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Open to public for free service weekend of 22/23, then revenue service on Monday 24th. Full bus integration on September (when all the suburban and Richmond buses will terminate at Bridgeport Station (aka Casino station).
I also heard they may wait for YVR station surcharge until they introduce the new distance based fare structure and the proximity readers (like London's Oyster Card).
Here is a video of the whole line: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebodV3UCHpc from Waterfront Station to YVR.
I also heard they may wait for YVR station surcharge until they introduce the new distance based fare structure and the proximity readers (like London's Oyster Card).
Here is a video of the whole line: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebodV3UCHpc from Waterfront Station to YVR.
Jul 28, 2009, 8:18 pm
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Jul 29, 2009, 12:00 pm
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"Open to public for free service weekend of 22/23, then revenue service on Monday 24th. Full bus integration on September (when all the suburban and Richmond buses will terminate at Bridgeport Station (aka Casino station)."
Where did u see that it is starting on the 22nd? I couldn't find anything about that on translink or canada line web sites....
Where did u see that it is starting on the 22nd? I couldn't find anything about that on translink or canada line web sites....
Jul 29, 2009, 2:04 pm
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TransLink expects to have to subsidize its two largest transportation projects -- the Canada Line and the Golden Ears Bridge -- for at least four years before ridership is high enough to reach a break-even point.
Those costs are a large part of the reason for the financial crunch that has TransLink looking for as much as $450 million a year in additional funding to operate Metro Vancouver's transit system and its major roads.
Both the rapid transit line and the new bridge were built as public-private partnerships, and in agreements with its partners, TransLink took on most of the "ridership risk" for both projects.
That means TransLink will have to subsidize both of them until ridership hits forecast levels, which the regional transportation authority acknowledges will take years.
The Canada Line, to open in August, isn't expected to see its projected 100,000 riders a day until 2013; the Golden Ears Bridge is expected to break even in about five years.
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TransLink's cash crunch explains why it is scrambling to boost ridership on the Canada Line, using its buses to funnel riders to the new rapid transit line.
Those costs are a large part of the reason for the financial crunch that has TransLink looking for as much as $450 million a year in additional funding to operate Metro Vancouver's transit system and its major roads.
Both the rapid transit line and the new bridge were built as public-private partnerships, and in agreements with its partners, TransLink took on most of the "ridership risk" for both projects.
That means TransLink will have to subsidize both of them until ridership hits forecast levels, which the regional transportation authority acknowledges will take years.
The Canada Line, to open in August, isn't expected to see its projected 100,000 riders a day until 2013; the Golden Ears Bridge is expected to break even in about five years.
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TransLink's cash crunch explains why it is scrambling to boost ridership on the Canada Line, using its buses to funnel riders to the new rapid transit line.
"It's very rare for any transit system to make money, let alone break even," TransLink spokesman Ken Hardie said.
see: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/van...404/story.html
Jul 29, 2009, 2:41 pm
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The same things happened when the Expo Line was built, then expanded, then the Millenium Line was built. In all cases, bus lines were cancelled or moved in favour of the train(s).
There's a huge shortage of buses in Vancouver (I ride one every day STUFFED to the gills) to it only makes sense to move the buses onto other routes once the train is in service.
Jul 29, 2009, 5:20 pm
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I disagree.
The same things happened when the Expo Line was built, then expanded, then the Millenium Line was built. In all cases, bus lines were cancelled or moved in favour of the train(s).
There's a huge shortage of buses in Vancouver (I ride one every day STUFFED to the gills) to it only makes sense to move the buses onto other routes once the train is in service.
The same things happened when the Expo Line was built, then expanded, then the Millenium Line was built. In all cases, bus lines were cancelled or moved in favour of the train(s).
There's a huge shortage of buses in Vancouver (I ride one every day STUFFED to the gills) to it only makes sense to move the buses onto other routes once the train is in service.
Jul 30, 2009, 6:25 am
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98B is one issue. Terminating all the long haul busses at the casino station is another. Change of modes is inconvenient. I'm sure a lot of people use the bus ride to work, sleep or relax. It'd be like terminating West Coast Express in PoCo (if/when the PoCo line is ever built) and have people take that and connect 2 times to get to downtown Vancouver. May well drive more people back to cars.
There's still a local bus down Kingsway and 99B beyond Commercial Drive was a temporary pre 2nd line plan.
I can imagine wanting to go north-south in Vancouver, where you now go directly north-south, you may now have to go east (or west), go N-S on the RAV and then go back west (or east).
A colleague of my partner now has a 1 transit ride to work (foot of Granville). When the RAV line opens, she'll have to make 2 changes. Needless to say she's not pleased.
As for bus shortage, it's because all the funding intended for new busses has gone to the RAV line (it'd buy hundreds of busses). Can't remember what the Translink plan was for number of busses is for now 7-10 years ago but it's a lot less than was planned before RAV came along. Have a letter from Tim Louis (he even called to make sure I got it) after I wrote to him asking to maintain his opposition to RAV.
Actually, here it is:
There you go. Crowded busses because Translink has 1/3rd fewer busses than it projected it needed.
http://www.morebusesnow.com/issues/transithistory5.html
There's still a local bus down Kingsway and 99B beyond Commercial Drive was a temporary pre 2nd line plan.
I can imagine wanting to go north-south in Vancouver, where you now go directly north-south, you may now have to go east (or west), go N-S on the RAV and then go back west (or east).
A colleague of my partner now has a 1 transit ride to work (foot of Granville). When the RAV line opens, she'll have to make 2 changes. Needless to say she's not pleased.
As for bus shortage, it's because all the funding intended for new busses has gone to the RAV line (it'd buy hundreds of busses). Can't remember what the Translink plan was for number of busses is for now 7-10 years ago but it's a lot less than was planned before RAV came along. Have a letter from Tim Louis (he even called to make sure I got it) after I wrote to him asking to maintain his opposition to RAV.
Actually, here it is:
2007-08 Still Far Short of Buses, Causing Overcrowding, Pass-Ups
The expansion order for 2007 of conventional buses was 75 vehicles and again the first vehicles of that order were not available for service until the fall of 2007. In the end only 127 conventional vehicles were added for service expansion during the 3-Year Financial Strategy (2004-2007), which called for 150 buses and was criticized for not being adequate.
By the end of 2007 the regional conventional bus fleet was 975 buses in service during peak period demand and 100 community shuttles operating primarily on low ridership routes, for a total of barely 1100 buses, or 500 less of TransLink's own first "5-Year Plan" which proposed 1600 vehicles by 2006 and some 800 less than the 2021 "LRSP" proposed 1900 buses by 2006.
This when TransLink's own first "5-Year Plan" proposed 1600 vehicles by 2006 and the "2021 LRSP" proposed 1900 by 2006.
By the start of 2008 the conventional bus fleet was a full 500 buses short of what repeated planning and obvious demands said the region would need by 2006.
The expansion order for 2007 of conventional buses was 75 vehicles and again the first vehicles of that order were not available for service until the fall of 2007. In the end only 127 conventional vehicles were added for service expansion during the 3-Year Financial Strategy (2004-2007), which called for 150 buses and was criticized for not being adequate.
By the end of 2007 the regional conventional bus fleet was 975 buses in service during peak period demand and 100 community shuttles operating primarily on low ridership routes, for a total of barely 1100 buses, or 500 less of TransLink's own first "5-Year Plan" which proposed 1600 vehicles by 2006 and some 800 less than the 2021 "LRSP" proposed 1900 buses by 2006.
This when TransLink's own first "5-Year Plan" proposed 1600 vehicles by 2006 and the "2021 LRSP" proposed 1900 by 2006.
By the start of 2008 the conventional bus fleet was a full 500 buses short of what repeated planning and obvious demands said the region would need by 2006.
http://www.morebusesnow.com/issues/transithistory5.html
Jul 30, 2009, 10:38 am
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I'm not arguing it isn't inconvenient; I'm arguing it isn't a conspiracy aimed at boosting ridership numbers to inflate the success of the PPP.
I used to live in a condo near Brentwood Mall. I used to be able to get on a bus on Lougheed 3 minutes from my door that took me straight downtown, with limited stops. Once they built the Millennium line I had to walk 10-15 minutes to Brentwood Mall, get on the SkyTrain, and then change trains at Broadway. Wound up taking about the same time.
I can give you a concrete example: I have a friend who commutes from Burnaby to Richmond on transit every day. He doesn't own a car. The reworking of the buses will inconvenience him so much he's buying a car and will start single-occupant commuting to Richmond in it.
Not really a fair comparison - The Skytrain isn't really that close to Kingsway until Patterson station, and suprise, suprise, that bus terminates close to Patterson.
I used to live in a condo near Brentwood Mall. I used to be able to get on a bus on Lougheed 3 minutes from my door that took me straight downtown, with limited stops. Once they built the Millennium line I had to walk 10-15 minutes to Brentwood Mall, get on the SkyTrain, and then change trains at Broadway. Wound up taking about the same time.
I can give you a concrete example: I have a friend who commutes from Burnaby to Richmond on transit every day. He doesn't own a car. The reworking of the buses will inconvenience him so much he's buying a car and will start single-occupant commuting to Richmond in it.
Not really a fair comparison - The Skytrain isn't really that close to Kingsway until Patterson station, and suprise, suprise, that bus terminates close to Patterson.
Jul 30, 2009, 1:55 pm
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TransLink's cash crunch explains why it is scrambling to boost ridership on the Canada Line, using its buses to funnel riders to the new rapid transit line.
I used to live in a condo near Brentwood Mall. I used to be able to get on a bus on Lougheed 3 minutes from my door that took me straight downtown, with limited stops. Once they built the Millennium line I had to walk 10-15 minutes to Brentwood Mall, get on the SkyTrain, and then change trains at Broadway. Wound up taking about the same time.
Not really a fair comparison - The Skytrain isn't really that close to Kingsway until Patterson station, and suprise, suprise, that bus terminates close to Patterson.
Will Cambie Street lose all bus service now?
Jul 30, 2009, 4:05 pm
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Jul 30, 2009, 4:15 pm
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I highly doubt this has anything to do with the general population and more with the olympics in february. the construction atlanta did and expansion of mass transit was solely to make sure that the visitors could get around. And 2.50 is cheap in my opinion.
Jul 30, 2009, 5:45 pm
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Speakinging French in Vancouver is as useful as putting t!ts on a bull. If it weren't for the totally artificial demand created by the Feds for French speakers in the YVR job market, you'd be better off knowing Congolese.
Jul 30, 2009, 8:55 pm
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