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Originally Posted by gglave
(Post 14387289)
What no one seems able to tell me is whether you are required by law to hand over your encryption password for your computer, i.e. if customs takes your computer and it has full-disk encryption, are you required by law to hand over the password so they can examine the computer? What happens if you say "I choose to not give you the password." Are you arrested and charged with an offence?
But those are my thoughts, not facts. And if your going to go through the trouble of encrypting your entire disk, why not have a phantom partition as well. |
Originally Posted by gglave
(Post 14387289)
What no one seems able to tell me is whether you are required by law to hand over your encryption password for your computer, i.e. if customs takes your computer and it has full-disk encryption, are you required by law to hand over the password so they can examine the computer? What happens if you say "I choose to not give you the password." Are you arrested and charged with an offence?
At least one judge has recently agreed with that interpretation: American's computer, hard drives seized Published Friday October 9th, 2009 $1,000 fine | Judge not impressed by behaviour at border By Shawn Berry Border guards are trying to determine what's on a laptop computer seized from an American man who refused to give them access to encrypted information stored on the device. Carl David Todaro, 38, of Clarks Summit, Pa., was arrested by a Canada Border Services Agency officer Wednesday afternoon after he tried to cross into Canada at the Houlton, Maine-Woodstock, N.B., port of entry. Todaro, who will be barred from re-entering Canada, appeared in provincial court Thursday afternoon and pleaded guilty to hindering a Canada Border Services Agency officer. He was fined $1,000 and had his computer and two external hard drives seized for further inspection. "The results of the examination will be turned over to U.S. authorities,'' said federal Crown prosecutor David Hitchcock. Todaro, who told the court he works in the technology industry, told a border guard he was planning to visit family-owned land in Canada. He declared only a phone and camping gear when he showed up at the crossing around 1:40 p.m. Wednesday. That's when border guards noticed a bulge in his breast pocket where he had an external computer hard drive. A subsequent search also yielded a laptop and a second external hard drive. When officers asked Todaro for access to the computer, he refused. Hitchcock said Todaro told officers: "No, you will not be looking at my data." Officers told Todaro that the Canada's Customs Act obliges him to give them access to information on his computer and they ordered him to log onto his computer. "He typed a command," Hitchcock said. "There was information on the hard drives." But the information was encrypted, he said. "I certainly didn't delete anything," he later told the court. Todaro pleaded guilty Thursday, but not before forcing a recess after being asked for his plea the first time. "If hindering is keeping something in my mind, then I guess I agree," he said. Judge Mary Jane Richards wasn't impressed. "I don't accept that," she said, calling a recess so Todaro could again consult with duty counsel. During the break, Todaro was told by duty counsel Edward Derrah that a guilty plea would likely result in the lowest fine, $1,000. When the judge returned, Todaro pleaded guilty. But he said he doesn't think he should give out his password. "I'm just a little bit confused at things," he said. Todaro said he uses passwords to keep his data secure and away from other people. "You'd be crazy not to," he told the judge. |
Originally Posted by yyzvoyageur
(Post 14387982)
A solid argument for a charge of "Hindering an officer" (Customs Act, section 153.1) could be made for someone who refuses to log in or to provide officers with a password, the penalty for which is a fine of not less than CAD 1000 and not more than CAD 25 000 and potential imprisonment for up to 12 months.
At least one judge has recently agreed with that interpretation: |
Originally Posted by yyzvoyageur
(Post 14387982)
A solid argument for a charge of "Hindering an officer" (Customs Act, section 153.1) could be made for someone who refuses to log in or to provide officers with a password, the penalty for which is a fine of not less than CAD 1000 and not more than CAD 25 000 and potential imprisonment for up to 12 months.
Also interesting that the police need a warrant to go through your filing cabinets, but customs can go through your laptop without one. |
Originally Posted by gglave
(Post 14388603)
Interesting - First solid answer I've gotten.
Also interesting that the police need a warrant to go through your filing cabinets, but customs can go through your laptop without one. |
Originally Posted by gglave
(Post 14388603)
Interesting - First solid answer I've gotten.
Also interesting that the police need a warrant to go through your filing cabinets, but customs can go through your laptop without one. |
Earlier this week, one of the columnists in La Presse wrote on her experience being submitted to a secondary at YUL after declaring 8 bottles of wine (4 each, they were a couple). She then wrote another article on the readers reaction to her story.
In a third text on the census controversy, she quotes an email sent to her by a CBSA agent: «Vous étiez au courant du risque engendré en rapportant autant de bouteilles (de vin) et je vais vous poser la question: était-ce nécessaire d'en acheter autant?» So, basically, the customs question our right to shop abroad. CBSA is a threat to Canadians personal freedoms. You might wanna check out the following links with the help of Google Translate if necessary: http://www.cyberpresse.ca/chroniqueu...-la-douane.php http://www.cyberpresse.ca/chroniqueu...core-bravo.php |
Originally Posted by gglave
(Post 14387289)
What no one seems able to tell me is whether you are required by law to hand over your encryption password for your computer, i.e. if customs takes your computer and it has full-disk encryption, are you required by law to hand over the password so they can examine the computer? What happens if you say "I choose to not give you the password." Are you arrested and charged with an offence?
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Originally Posted by WestonC
(Post 14397935)
The girl inspecting me at that time told me to enter my password. I turned the screen from here and she said 'you leave it where it is'. I said my password is confidential and I turned the screen anyway - she let me do it. Technically it is against the law for her to require my password unless she has a court order.
Can you explain what technicality you're referring to please? |
Originally Posted by ls17031
(Post 14399014)
Can you explain what technicality you're referring to please?
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Originally Posted by gglave
(Post 14400607)
You are required to allow her access to your computer so she can snoop around on it. You are not required to give her your password, in the same way you are required to open your suitcase if requested, but you're not required to give away your key.
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Originally Posted by nchinetti
(Post 13571869)
Yapping on your cell phone when interacting with another human being standing in front of you (CBSA agent, cashier, waiter, etc.) is just plain rude! A part of basic manner that seems to have gotten lost in the 21st century.
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No major problems w/CBSA
Honestly, I fly for business on average 4 times/month... So I see the CBSA quite often..
I have nothing to complain about.. Most of the time they don't even ask me anything.. If they do it's "where are you coming from" followed by a welcome home. Have I been previously asked some absurd questions? Yes. Though truthfully, the agents are there to enforce laws, not feel sympathy for a traveler who just got off a 10 hour flight. Also, I noticed YUL agents to ask the most questions.. YYZ no problems, YVR is indeed my favourite though.. There's a citizen/resident line, and I was out of there in no time. Wish they had that at YYZ |
Originally Posted by alexb133
(Post 14523643)
YVR is indeed my favourite though.. There's a citizen/resident line...
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Originally Posted by antirealist
(Post 14524546)
Is that new? I can't recall ever having seen it. In fact, I thought it was contrary to official policy.
Now I recall the monitors being electronic, so they might change it according to the amount of passengers needing clearance.. I got there at approx 7 AM Pacific Time, and it was just us, and a flight from Tokyo, the hall filled up quickly. |
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