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yhz123 Feb 14, 2008 7:56 am

Immigration: Secret Code
 
Anyone wise in the ways of deciphering the red number
the Canadian immigration officer writes on the customs form?

I assume the 'R' stands for resident, but what does
the number mean...it seems different every time?
What number would indicate that I'll be directed
to secondary screening?

ulyparis Feb 14, 2008 7:57 am


Originally Posted by yhz123 (Post 9250331)
Anyone wise in the ways of deciphering the red number
the Canadian immigration officer writes on the customs form?

I assume the 'R' stands for resident, but what does
the number mean...it seems different every time?
What number would indicate that I'll be directed
to secondary screening?


The officer?

BarrieTravelGuy Feb 14, 2008 8:09 am


Originally Posted by yhz123 (Post 9250331)
Anyone wise in the ways of deciphering the red number
the Canadian immigration officer writes on the customs form?

I assume the 'R' stands for resident, but what does
the number mean...it seems different every time?
What number would indicate that I'll be directed
to secondary screening?

You are right - R is for resident. Each day they change the numbers to something different that means you will get a secondary search.

If you have Nexus and go to the US... if you get V-RR you will be pulled aside for a secondary search...

pr0digy25 Feb 14, 2008 8:18 am

If it was public knowledge, then it wouldn't be so secret and useful for smugglers, non-genuine visitors and other not-completely-honest folk. ;)

payam81 Feb 14, 2008 8:41 am

I think the number has to do with the type of goods you carry and/or if you get a secondary. R34 is the most common one I get on mine which is usually when I tell them I've bought just a few pieces of clothing.

YOWkid Feb 14, 2008 10:37 am

Codes change by the day and are different at each port of entry.

Don't bother with trying to figure them out.

jnswinnipeg Feb 14, 2008 10:58 am

Just hope they use the right code. I was once asked what kind of firearm I was carrying. The reason I was asked is someone wrote down the wrong code!


Originally Posted by YOWkid (Post 9251389)
Codes change by the day and are different at each port of entry.

Don't bother with trying to figure them out.


fly-yul Feb 14, 2008 11:04 am


Originally Posted by YOWkid (Post 9251389)
Codes change by the day and are different at each port of entry.

Don't bother with trying to figure them out.

I would think that an organized group of travelers armed with blackberries could circumvent this security measure if they were trying to smuggle some items in thier luggage.

1) Have 3 or 4 people arrive at say YYZ same day prior to your flight. They relay back what code they got and if they were sent to secondary.

2) Bad-guy 1 shows up with Bad-guy 2.

3) If Bad-guy 1 ones get code for secondary he lets Bad-guy 2 exit with the bag or vice-versa.

Simon Feb 14, 2008 11:43 am

And how do they know which code is which?

ulyparis Feb 14, 2008 11:59 am


Originally Posted by fly-yul (Post 9251554)
I would think that an organized group of travelers armed with blackberries could circumvent this security measure if they were trying to smuggle some items in thier luggage.

1) Have 3 or 4 people arrive at say YYZ same day prior to your flight. They relay back what code they got and if they were sent to secondary.

2) Bad-guy 1 shows up with Bad-guy 2.

3) If Bad-guy 1 ones get code for secondary he lets Bad-guy 2 exit with the bag or vice-versa.

Yes, like most government tools, it is so antiquated. Plus you are asked not to fold the card, yet it does not fit in any shirt pocket. Bad design.

If it changes everyday, they certainly do mistakes.

They would simply have to had 2-d barcode on each card and relay the information from the immigration officer to the custom officer.

coxta Feb 14, 2008 12:40 pm

I always fold my cards because they don't fit.

mtacchi Feb 14, 2008 12:59 pm

R= Resident
V=Visitor.

Number doesn't matter unless its the "number" of the day.

That can change by the shift.

There is little point in figuring that out.

Railroad flyer Feb 14, 2008 2:20 pm

If you are non resident and you don't get a line through the sheet then you are off to the room at the back!

taupo Feb 14, 2008 3:47 pm

As someone who is always sent to secondary screening by CBSA, I can attest that the numbers/codes always change. Sometimes the number by name is circled, sometimes it is a written number.

Question. If your family is travelling with you, do they have to appear on the same customs card as you? Can they be on one card go through initial immigration, me on another card and pay my visit to secondary? We are all Canadian citizens.

Q Shoe Guy Feb 14, 2008 4:20 pm


Originally Posted by Railroad flyer (Post 9252856)
If you are non resident and you don't get a line through the sheet then you are off to the room at the back!

Oops, mis-read what you wrote, will concur! 18 years and only checked once!

KVS Feb 14, 2008 4:33 pm


Originally Posted by taupo (Post 9253387)
Question. If your family is travelling with you, do they have to appear on the same customs card as you? Can they be on one card go through initial immigration, me on another card and pay my visit to secondary?

You are free to use separate customs forms for each family member.

However, the CBSA agents have access to your PNR, so if you have all just travelled on the same flight/PNR, and present yourselves separately, that may raise some 'red flags' ...

why fly Feb 14, 2008 4:58 pm

Until I got my Nexus pass I was 18 years an not secondary... now with my Nexus pass I have been to secondary 5 times in 4 months...:td:

YOWkid Feb 14, 2008 6:52 pm


Originally Posted by mtacchi (Post 9252316)
R= Resident
V=Visitor.

Number doesn't matter unless its the "number" of the day.

That can change by the shift.

There is little point in figuring that out.

And even more frequently than that sometimes.

I've also gotten a card once that had no R or V.

lcohen999 Feb 14, 2008 7:03 pm


Originally Posted by sjhanlon (Post 9250414)
You are right - R is for resident. Each day they change the numbers to something different that means you will get a secondary search.

If you have Nexus and go to the US... if you get V-RR you will be pulled aside for a secondary search...

Thank you, I was always wondering what to look for

fly-yul Feb 14, 2008 7:55 pm


Originally Posted by YOWkid (Post 9253968)
And even more frequently than that sometimes.

I've also gotten a card once that had no R or V.

I find that hard to believe. At the big custom halls they have could have 20-30 agents working. Where / how would they be able to communicate the code switch?

YOWkid Feb 14, 2008 8:04 pm

You've gotta be kidding me -- do you actually think I'm going to tell you how it can possibly be done?

fly-yul Feb 14, 2008 8:14 pm


Originally Posted by YOWkid (Post 9254196)
You've gotta be kidding me -- do you actually think I'm going to tell you how it can possibly be done?

No. But I don't think it is illegal to wonder out loud for us mere mortals :D

Sanosuke Feb 14, 2008 8:17 pm

The codes also tell quite a lot about the immigration officer's discretion. Sometimes when you approach them, they will assess where you came from by asking you where you originated your journey and the last time you left canada. All to see if you're condricting the info you present on your customs form. They will sometimes ask for your itenitary even if its a E-ticket.

Last year I had to go through secondary when arriving YVR from LAS, which was the first time I've done that routing (drove into YVR and flew to LAS and back). Apparently the routing you do can trip flags -- I'm pretty sure they communicate with the US immigration folks upstairs at YVR.

Sanosuke!

SirJman Feb 14, 2008 8:22 pm

Prior to getting my Nexus, I was 4/5 times pulled into secondary at YOW. I guess they don't like under-20's with a passport full of visas.

YOW and DTW always ask 'how can a student afford to travel so often?'. Before I used to tell them 'saving', and 'backpacking', and that usually got me pulled into secondary. Now my answer (albeit not true), is 'my Grandparents', and they seem to prefer that answer.

greenlotus Feb 14, 2008 8:37 pm


Originally Posted by why fly (Post 9253724)
Until I got my Nexus pass I was 18 years an not secondary... now with my Nexus pass I have been to secondary 5 times in 4 months...:td:

Jeez...the computer must think you are an Al Queda or Abu Sayef member!

yycguy2 Feb 15, 2008 1:38 am


Originally Posted by fly-yul (Post 9254153)
I find that hard to believe. At the big custom halls they have could have 20-30 agents working. Where / how would they be able to communicate the code switch?

Ummm...do they not all have computers hooked up to the scanner that they swipe your passport through? Perhaps, email, IM or some internal program is used to broadcast out the changes? No different than any other company needing to get time sensitive information out.

I'm sure they can also communicate with each other in case one notices someone/something suspicious in another line. They often look up and scan other lines where the LOS of other agents might be blocked.

YOWkid Feb 15, 2008 6:04 am


Originally Posted by SirJman (Post 9254291)
Prior to getting my Nexus, I was 4/5 times pulled into secondary at YOW. I guess they don't like under-20's with a passport full of visas.

YOW and DTW always ask 'how can a student afford to travel so often?'. Before I used to tell them 'saving', and 'backpacking', and that usually got me pulled into secondary. Now my answer (albeit not true), is 'my Grandparents', and they seem to prefer that answer.

And do you think lying to a CBSA officer is a good idea? If they catch you in your lie one day, secondary will be the least of your worries.


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