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Originally Posted by zorn
(Post 8428002)
Nonsense. Mrs. Zorn was born in Ottawa and has three passports.
Not the same as travelling to Brazil, UK, etc., but I tend to use my US passport when I enter the US, and my CDN when I come home. I find I tend to get less hassle that way.
Originally Posted by B1
(Post 8434853)
Besides the problem of having to hold two passports, holders of US passports have to file US income tax forms every year regardless of where they live and where they earn their money. Since the US has estate taxes and Canada does not, the estates of US citizens who lived in Canada and were also Canadian citizens will be subject to those taxes. If a US citizen renounces that citizenship the IRS will still claim the taxes as being owed on the grounds that the renunciation was to avoid taxes. Some benefit.
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Originally Posted by Shareholder
(Post 8427885)
Just registering displeasure at these practices on behalf of all of us Canadians who were born here and thus relegated to second class citizenship because we can only hold one passport...
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Originally Posted by B1
(Post 8434853)
Some benefit.
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Originally Posted by Shareholder
(Post 8427885)
Just registering displeasure at these practices on behalf of all of us Canadians who were born here and thus relegated to second class citizenship because we can only hold one passport...
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Originally Posted by tjl
(Post 8435337)
Additional citizenships are not beneficial in all cases. A second citizenship could come with an obligation for mandatory military service or taxes, for example. Citizenship in a country whose government treats non-citizens better than citizens may also not be too valuable when in that country.
(That is why a lot of Chinese Canadians born in Canada don't have Chinese citizenship.) It is better to be treated as a non-citizen in China in most cases. IMHO, having a second citizenship can be dangerous is some cases. Take Maher Arar for example, even though he was a Canadian Citzen (origianally from Syria and had Syrian Citizenship), he was deported by the U.S. to Syria to face torture. If Canada did not not recognize dual citizenship, then Mr. Arar would had to give up his Syrian citizenship before obtaining his Canadian citizenship, and he would be solely a Canadian citizen and nothing else. It is Canada's allowing of dual citizenship that is causing people from oppressive countries a lot of problems. |
Originally Posted by daniellam
(Post 8436324)
IMHO, having a second citizenship can be dangerous is some cases. Take Maher Arar for example, even though he was a Canadian Citzen (origianally from Syria and had Syrian Citizenship), he was deported by the U.S. to Syria to face torture. If Canada did not not recognize dual citizenship, then Mr. Arar would had to give up his Syrian citizenship before obtaining his Canadian citizenship, and he would be solely a Canadian citizen and nothing else. It is Canada's allowing of dual citizenship that is causing people from oppressive countries a lot of problems. |
Originally Posted by daniellam
(Post 8436324)
IMHO, having a second citizenship can be dangerous is some cases. Take Maher Arar for example... If Canada did not not recognize dual citizenship, then Mr. Arar would had to give up his Syrian citizenship before obtaining his Canadian citizenship, and he would be solely a Canadian citizen and nothing else.
It is Canada's allowing of dual citizenship that is causing people from oppressive countries a lot of problems. |
Originally Posted by antirealist
(Post 8436954)
A lot of oppressive countries - Syria included - don't allow citizens to renounce their citizenship. That's one argument for allowing dual citizenship in Canada.
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I'm a dual US/Canadian citizen, with 2 passports. I debated for a while the merits of which one to use where. I still do.
I never ever travel with 2 passports at the same time. When going to a foreign country the requires a visa, I'm always worried about the previously mentioned stamp issue. But the main reason is, that if for some reason you get searched, and have an agent having a crappy day that wants to assume one of them is a fake, etc. it is a problem you don't want to have to deal with. Especially in the world we live in today. So I just say...pick one and use it. On the other hand, I'm enrolled in Nexus now, and since most of my travel is between the US/Canada, I don't theoretically need to travel with either passport. |
Originally Posted by B1
(Post 8434853)
Besides the problem of having to hold two passports, holders of US passports have to file US income tax forms every year regardless of where they live and where they earn their money. Since the US has estate taxes and Canada does not, the estates of US citizens who lived in Canada and were also Canadian citizens will be subject to those taxes. If a US citizen renounces that citizenship the IRS will still claim the taxes as being owed on the grounds that the renunciation was to avoid taxes. Some benefit.
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Speaking of dual citizens USA/Canada, I remember reading somewhere that the US requires such people to enter the US with their American documentation, not Canadian. Can anyone confirm if that is true? I've always done so because of having read this rule, but might choose not to if it's not the case. My Brazilian visa is in my Canadian passport, and so I've had to take both passports on recent trips to Brazil.
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Originally Posted by jpyvr
(Post 8449087)
Speaking of dual citizens USA/Canada, I remember reading somewhere that the US requires such people to enter the US with their American documentation, not Canadian. Can anyone confirm if that is true?
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Originally Posted by daniellam
(Post 8436324)
I am glad that Article 5 of the Chinese Nationality law states "Any person born abroad whose parents are both Chinese nationals or one of whose parents is a Chinese national shall have Chinese nationality. But a person whose parents are both Chinese nationals and have both settled abroad, or one of whose parents is a Chinese national and has settled abroad, and who has acquired foreign nationality at birth [note: automatic in Canada and other "jus soli" countries] shall not have Chinese nationality."
(That is why a lot of Chinese Canadians born in Canada don't have Chinese citizenship.) It is better to be treated as a non-citizen in China in most cases. IMHO, having a second citizenship can be dangerous is some cases. Take Maher Arar for example, even though he was a Canadian Citzen (origianally from Syria and had Syrian Citizenship), he was deported by the U.S. to Syria to face torture. If Canada did not not recognize dual citizenship, then Mr. Arar would had to give up his Syrian citizenship before obtaining his Canadian citizenship, and he would be solely a Canadian citizen and nothing else. It is Canada's allowing of dual citizenship that is causing people from oppressive countries a lot of problems. According to foreign affairs: A bilateral treaty between Canada and China establishes that China will recognize the Canadian citizenship of persons with Chinese ancestry if they enter China using a Canadian passport. |
Originally Posted by ylwae
(Post 8434905)
No kidding. Major pain in the a$$.
Same for military registration, which is probably more serious! If the cdn dollar gets too strong, americans in canada could find themselves in the US top bracket. Higher taxes in the US -- imagine that! |
Originally Posted by Carioca Canuck
(Post 8426338)
I did a search and did not come up with anything remotely close to my question so here goes.........
1-Enter the US as a Canadian, even thought we are transiting only, thereby avoiding the hassle of fingerprinting and perhaps extraneous questioning that Brasilians undergo (even though she has never been hassled at all by the US Homeland security people....just fingerprinted as all Brasilians are). Unless she exhibits some unusual behavior that would be cause for extra scrunity no one generally will wonder about lack of visa stamps in her Canadian passport. At any rate, she should use her Canadian passport as this is her legal home of record. She can use her Brazil passport as evidence of her birthright there. Have an safe and enjoyable visit south. |
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