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bambinomartino Sep 8, 2022 10:04 am


Originally Posted by Finkface (Post 34583185)
Well it would probably help if you familiarized yourself with the rules before you rant about things that don't apply to you. Unvaccinated under-12s do not have to quarantine for 14 days. So if you think you are standing up to The Man by sending them to school anyway, you aren't. They are allowed to go to school. Rather than protest against an imaginary rule that you think is stupid, why not read the rules? It isn't quite the protest you were hoping for.


https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/tr...ntering-canada

Unvaccinated or partially vaccinated children 5 through 11 years old

Unvaccinated and partially vaccinated children under the age of 12 aren’t required to provide a valid pre-entry test result, if they’re accompanying a fully vaccinated adult.

They’re exempt from quarantine, without any limitations on their activities. This means, for example, they don't need to wait 14 days before attending school, camp or daycare.

Don't care.

They had to quarantine upon return on an earlier trip this year. They didn't. Then after another trip June we kept getting robocalls threatening fines apparently because the app is trash. All I care to check is the things that actually affect us practically, which is basically limited to the ability to get on the plane.

They still require unvaccinated children to wear masks for 14 days. They can go play on the interstate.

It's not that I think the rules are stupid, they are objectively idiotic.

Adam Smith Sep 8, 2022 10:05 am


Originally Posted by Covidian98 (Post 34581986)
But maybe it’s possible to upload it into ArriveCan together with the vaccination proof ?

Nope, unless it's hidden and requires some special super secret code to access.

Covidian98 Sep 8, 2022 8:04 pm


Originally Posted by Adam Smith (Post 34583374)
Nope, unless it's hidden and requires some special super secret code to access.

I was thinking we can create a multi-page PDF file which consists of both the vaccination proof and the proof of recovery, and then upload that file. Surely, ArriveCan cannot prevent you from doing that, as it cannot automatically validate all forms of vaccination proofs. So a human has to look at the file. In any case, even if they ignore the recovery proof and later select you for arrival testing, you can always claim you sent it, and that they have it, therefore you fullfilled your obligation to "present" the proof and claim the exemption from arrival testing. If they say you didn't submit it "properly", then you can say that there is no "proper" method defined for such submission. So I would think that legally this would be sufficient defense against any non-compliance accusation.

GregWTravels Sep 9, 2022 6:21 am


Originally Posted by J. Leslie (Post 34583068)
From the National Post this morning re: Detroit Free Press Marathon:
"Marathon organizers announced Wednesday that in addition to having proof of vaccination against COVID-19, which has already hurt registration numbers, runners must also carry an ArriveCAN receipt to enter Canada."
The Canadian section of the race is about 20 minutes.
Beyond ridiculous.

20 minutes depends on how fast you run - would probably take me more than that.

Sorry to take this OT, but I've never heard of this race before. How do you clear Canadian and US borders as you pass back and forth between them? That feels like it could impact your race time.

ElevatorEnthusiast Sep 10, 2022 3:28 am

Can anyone confirm from experience that YTZ (Billy Bishop) is not included in the random testing system? I know most of the articles say the four major airports, but the government's press release only mentions Toronto, which suggests that YTZ is included with YYZ.

I'm looking to head from Chicago to Toronto in November, and flights from MDW to YTZ are about the same price as flights from ORD to YYZ. If I can avoid the chance of random testing, seems like YTZ makes more sense?

tracon Sep 12, 2022 4:28 am

Day 1 fly into Canada. Got an e-mail saying I had been selected for random testing and to complete said task by the end of day 2.
Day 4. Phone starts ringing. Sometimes up to 6x/day. Sometimes there would be a partially cut off message about the call being from public health...blah blah.
Day 9. Phone stops ringing.
Day 30ish. Drive into Canada. No questions about the above trip and not getting tested.

sydneyracquelle Sep 12, 2022 7:36 am


Originally Posted by tracon (Post 34592368)
Day 1 fly into Canada. Got an e-mail saying I had been selected for random testing and to complete said task by the end of day 2.
Day 4. Phone starts ringing. Sometimes up to 6x/day. Sometimes there would be a partially cut off message about the call being from public health...blah blah.
Day 9. Phone stops ringing.
Day 30ish. Drive across border. No questions about the above trip and not getting tested.

USCBP has zero interest in your compliance with Canadian random testing.

J. Leslie Sep 12, 2022 8:36 am


Originally Posted by tracon (Post 34592368)
Day 1 fly into Canada. Got an e-mail saying I had been selected for random testing and to complete said task by the end of day 2.
Day 4. Phone starts ringing. Sometimes up to 6x/day. Sometimes there would be a partially cut off message about the call being from public health...blah blah.
Day 9. Phone stops ringing.
Day 30ish. Drive across border. No questions about the above trip and not getting tested.

Nearly identical to my experience (except my phone stopped ringing around Day 6). Our tax dollars at work.

tracon Sep 12, 2022 4:02 pm


Originally Posted by sydneyracquelle (Post 34592716)
USCBP has zero interest in your compliance with Canadian random testing.

Edited original post to reflect that I drove back into Canada.

sydneyracquelle Sep 12, 2022 7:34 pm


Originally Posted by tracon (Post 34592368)
Day 1 fly into Canada. Got an e-mail saying I had been selected for random testing and to complete said task by the end of day 2.
Day 4. Phone starts ringing. Sometimes up to 6x/day. Sometimes there would be a partially cut off message about the call being from public health...blah blah.
Day 9. Phone stops ringing.
Day 30ish. Drive into Canada. No questions about the above trip and not getting tested.

When did you exit Canada?

tracon Sep 13, 2022 8:19 pm

Day 27

Adam Smith Sep 13, 2022 11:23 pm


Originally Posted by Adam Smith (Post 34491327)
I got the phone call this morning checking up on me. When I selected that I hadn't done the test yet, it offered me several options for why:
  1. Problems with the testing provider
  2. [Something else, I forget what]
  3. Decided not to do the test
  4. Have proof of positive molecular test in previous 10-180 days

I got the phone call again the other day. Option 2 is you weren't aware of the need to do a test.

I selected Option 4 again, and no one has asked me to provide any proof.

analogueman Sep 14, 2022 9:54 am

What a joke.

bambinomartino Sep 14, 2022 12:30 pm


Originally Posted by analogueman (Post 34599656)
What a joke.

And so unfunny at the same time.

Covidian98 Sep 22, 2022 2:51 pm


Originally Posted by analogueman (Post 34535867)
Yes, the current policy is set to expire at the end of September, but as we head into autumn and winter, when case numbers are inevitably going to go in the wrong direction, can you really see the government relaxing the border measures? Hey, if they do, great. That'll make everybody happy. Guess we'll just have to wait until the end of September to see where things stand.


Originally Posted by Covidian98 (Post 34534475)
Ummm... you "can't see things changing" ? How did you determine that ??
Why do you assume things will stay the same ?? Do you realize the current policy is a remnant of the covid emergency situation of the last two years, and as such it's temporary. So at some point "things" will change back to normal. This has been the case in other countries, and even in Canada the trend is defintely of slowly rolling back Covid restrictions.

Actually, the current policy is set to expire at the end of September, so there is a fair chance it won't be renewed. As usual, I expect the government to only anounce if the border measures are going to expire or be extended, only a few days before the end of September. But do take this into account and wait for the news before your trip.

As per various news sources, pretty soon there won't be any more arrival testing, vaccination requirements, or arriveCan.
This was expected, since it's already clear the world and Canada, are moving away from Covid restrictions.
There is no real data supporting any of the scare tactics about increasing spread, new variants, more waves etc. Bottom line is Covid has flatlined, and we can just go on living with it around, just like any other common diseases.

yyzflyer Sep 22, 2022 3:03 pm


Originally Posted by Covidian98 (Post 34622315)
As per various news sources, pretty soon there won't be any more arrival testing, vaccination requirements, or arriveCan.
This was expected, since it's already clear the world and Canada, are moving away from Covid restrictions.
There is no real data supporting any of the scare tactics about increasing spread, new variants, more waves etc. Bottom line is Covid has flatlined, and we can just go on living with it around, just like any other common diseases.

AFAIK the Americans still require Canadian citizens to be fully vaccinated and, according to the news, there is no sign of movement despite what happens here.

ElevatorEnthusiast Sep 22, 2022 3:13 pm

Of course, now I have to take a Dash-8 to YTZ for no reason :-) guess it's closer to Downtown!

Covidian98 Sep 22, 2022 8:14 pm


Originally Posted by yyzflyer (Post 34622367)
AFAIK the Americans still require Canadian citizens to be fully vaccinated and, according to the news, there is no sign of movement despite what happens here.

Sure, for now. But close to 90% of Canadians are "fully" vaccinated, and much higher percentage from people who actually travel, so not really a concern. And the enforcement of the US requirement is a friction-less and smooth process, done by the airlines, usually as part of online check-in. I travelled to the US several times recently, but never had to answer any questions or discuss with any border official if I'm vaccinated.

mountainboy Sep 22, 2022 9:16 pm


Originally Posted by Covidian98 (Post 34623064)
Sure, for now. But close to 90% of Canadians are "fully" vaccinated, and much higher percentage from people who actually travel, so not really a concern. And the enforcement of the US requirement is a friction-less and smooth process, done by the airlines, usually as part of online check-in. I travelled to the US several times recently, but never had to answer any questions or discuss with any border official if I'm vaccinated.

And you are not?

The airlines have been deputized via IATA Timatic to perform the role of policing this. That is why you don't get asked upon arrival.

That scheme has got to end.

candec Sep 26, 2022 9:46 am

No more testing
 
We got the "you've been selected for a random test" when we arrived at Toronto International airport on September 19th. We'd been stuck on the plane we hike only 50 passengers were let off at a time. Then there was a long delay to collect our luggage. We were tired so didn't want to search for the apparent testing site somewhere at the airport. The following morning we tried to pick up a testing kit but the first location had run out of kits. After walking well over a mile we got a kit. We went back to the hotel and then discovered you needed to do it with online assistance. I'd done one before so we just did the test and mailed it. The return form was clearly designed for residents only. The only address we had was our hotel and that was for 2 nights only. There then followed a series of calls whuch w we ignored. They finally stopped after about 3 days.

Hooray, these unworkable measures have now been dropped. If the idea was to pick up new variants then surely there must have been better ways to do that?

Covidian98 Sep 26, 2022 1:30 pm


Originally Posted by candec (Post 34631746)
We got the "you've been selected for a random test" when we arrived at Toronto International airport on September 19th. We'd been stuck on the plane we hike only 50 passengers were let off at a time. Then there was a long delay to collect our luggage. We were tired so didn't want to search for the apparent testing site somewhere at the airport. The following morning we tried to pick up a testing kit but the first location had run out of kits. After walking well over a mile we got a kit. We went back to the hotel and then discovered you needed to do it with online assistance. I'd done one before so we just did the test and mailed it. The return form was clearly designed for residents only. The only address we had was our hotel and that was for 2 nights only. There then followed a series of calls whuch w we ignored. They finally stopped after about 3 days.

Hooray, these unworkable measures have now been dropped. If the idea was to pick up new variants then surely there must have been better ways to do that?

Yes, the random arrival testing situation was a completely stupid and pathetic. Not saying it was funny for people like you, that got entangled in that ridiculous requirement, and were also subjected to harrassment and intimidation by the governement over compliance with this useless testing.


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