Canada officials say vaxx req for visitors, random testing to end by 30 Sept.2022
Jun 18, 2021, 10:22 am
#859
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All of the details around that (what kind of testing will they require, what about children under 12, precise timing) hopefully we'll know Monday.
Jun 18, 2021, 11:14 am
#860
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Ruling came out today that mandatory quarantine hotels are, indeed, constitutional
https://www.jccf.ca/wp-content/uploa...eid=0f7d04925a
Half expected this; testing if something is or isn't constitutional is a high bar to jump over.
I sort of wish the JCCF shifted their approach and went after the rules on fundamental soundness. As expert panels have suggested closing the program as they didn't find scientific merit for them, it would be easy to argue that the rules are arbitrary (especially as the hotels are not priced at market rate).
However, I do note that the judge seemed to agree that the 'black site' version of quarantine hotels (contracted hotels managed by PHAC where you are dragged away to if you don't come with a quarantine plan) are unconstitutional.
https://www.jccf.ca/wp-content/uploa...eid=0f7d04925a
Half expected this; testing if something is or isn't constitutional is a high bar to jump over.
I sort of wish the JCCF shifted their approach and went after the rules on fundamental soundness. As expert panels have suggested closing the program as they didn't find scientific merit for them, it would be easy to argue that the rules are arbitrary (especially as the hotels are not priced at market rate).
However, I do note that the judge seemed to agree that the 'black site' version of quarantine hotels (contracted hotels managed by PHAC where you are dragged away to if you don't come with a quarantine plan) are unconstitutional.
Last edited by smes; Jun 18, 2021 at 11:20 am
Jun 18, 2021, 11:36 am
#861
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Ruling came out today that mandatory quarantine hotels are, indeed, constitutional
https://www.jccf.ca/wp-content/uploa...eid=0f7d04925a
Half expected this; testing if something is or isn't constitutional is a high bar to jump over.
However, I do note that the judge seemed to agree that the 'black site' version of quarantine hotels (contracted hotels managed by PHAC where you are dragged away to if you don't come with a quarantine plan) are unconstitutional.
https://www.jccf.ca/wp-content/uploa...eid=0f7d04925a
Half expected this; testing if something is or isn't constitutional is a high bar to jump over.
However, I do note that the judge seemed to agree that the 'black site' version of quarantine hotels (contracted hotels managed by PHAC where you are dragged away to if you don't come with a quarantine plan) are unconstitutional.
Jun 18, 2021, 11:42 am
#862
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From what I gather his argument is that the use of the Contraventions Act isn't proper because it leaves gaping holes in Alberta and Quebec. The program won't accomplish its goal if you have half the arrival airports (Calgary, Montreal) not enforcing things.
Jun 18, 2021, 12:19 pm
#864
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Given your track record I'd say that's cause for celebration.
Edit: wait, for everyone? Also during today's press conference Trudeau blew off a Star reporter's question about hotels (with respect to the Panel recommendation) twice and then seemed to say that hotel jail works great.
Edit: wait, for everyone? Also during today's press conference Trudeau blew off a Star reporter's question about hotels (with respect to the Panel recommendation) twice and then seemed to say that hotel jail works great.
Last edited by bambinomartino; Jun 18, 2021 at 12:43 pm
Jun 18, 2021, 1:23 pm
#865
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Given your track record I'd say that's cause for celebration.
Edit: wait, for everyone? Also during today's press conference Trudeau blew off a Star reporter's question about hotels (with respect to the Panel recommendation) twice and then seemed to say that hotel jail works great.
Edit: wait, for everyone? Also during today's press conference Trudeau blew off a Star reporter's question about hotels (with respect to the Panel recommendation) twice and then seemed to say that hotel jail works great.
Jun 18, 2021, 1:25 pm
#866
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I have a data point on this too - a friend returning home (on June 16th) was split from her partner (his PCR test came back with a re-test so he had to rebook for a later flight) and when she explained her situation to the PHAC officer they told her that he should delay his flight a few more days since the program will be gone anyways.
Jun 18, 2021, 1:27 pm
#867
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I'm sure he will never admit it was a futile program or that it was anything less than fully successful. He'll just say we've progressed enough that it's no longer necessary.
Jun 18, 2021, 1:28 pm
#868
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By the end of next month, everyone will be able to have both doses and public opinion will change quickly from fear to hope and ambition. The government is pivoting as quickly as possible before they lose control of public opinion.
Jun 18, 2021, 1:44 pm
#869
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I have a data point on this too - a friend returning home (on June 16th) was split from her partner (his PCR test came back with a re-test so he had to rebook for a later flight) and when she explained her situation to the PHAC officer they told her that he should delay his flight a few more days since the program will be gone anyways.
Jun 18, 2021, 1:46 pm
#870
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This is great corroboration. I have posted this bit before: When the pre-arrival test was first announced in general terms on Dec 30, a (2 separate actually) CBSA phone agent(s) knew and told me the effective date was more than a week away, days before that date was made public.