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AirAsia Indonesia has verified QZ8501 has reported missing with 162 aboard. Departed Surabaya, Indonesia 0532 local time, last contact with ATC 0714 local Singapore time / 0614 Western Indonesia Time Sunday, 28 Dec 2014. QZ8501 was due to arrive SIN 0837 local time.
Surabaya, East Java, Indonesia is on Western Indonesia Time (WIB), UTC +7.
Originally Posted by AirAsia Indonesia FaceBook page
AirAsia Indonesia regrets to confirm that flight QZ8501 from Surabaya to Singapore has lost contact with air traffic control at 07:24 (Surabaya LT) this morning. The flight took off from Juanda International Airport in Surabaya at 0535 hours.
Search and rescue operations are being conducted under the guidance of The Indonesia of Civil Aviation Authority (CAA). AirAsia Indonesia is cooperating fully and assisting the investigation in every possible way.
The aircraft was on the submitted flight plan route and was requesting deviation due to en route weather before communication with the aircraft was lost while it was still under the control of the Indonesian Air Traffic Control (ATC).
The aircraft had undergone its last scheduled maintenance on 16 November 2014.
AirAsia has established an Emergency Call Centre that is available for family or friends of those who may have been on board the aircraft. The number is: +622129850801.
Originally Posted by gpeso8
I'm in Indonesia right now and local TV is reporting that an emergency exit door was located they are also showing a body in the water (blurred out).
Originally Posted by BBC 30 Dec 2014
Indonesian officials have confirmed that bodies and debris found in the Java Sea off Borneo are from AirAsia flight QZ8501 that went missing on Sunday, a statement by AirAsia says.
The AirAsia statement said the remains were found in the Karimata Strait, south-west of Pangkalan Bun in the Borneo province of Central Kalimantan.
The AirAsia statement said the remains were found in the Karimata Strait, south-west of Pangkalan Bun in the Borneo province of Central Kalimantan.
Originally Posted by Aviation Herald
On Dec 31st 2014 the chairman of Indonesia's Search and Rescue Service stated in an evening press conference, that earlier reports about the fuselage having been located have been incorrect, the search is still ongoing, so far - referring to a report by CNN hitting global headlines - there are no sonar images of the fuselage as well. Correcting other media reports the chairman stressed that none of the bodies recovered so far was wearing a life vest. All valid information concerning QZ-8501 only and only comes from one source, namely the Search and Rescue Service which is currently in charge of the entire operation, the chairman stated with reference to the current information chaos.
AirAsia updates on QZ8501 http://qz8501.airasia.com/index.html
Aviation Herald: http://avherald.com/h?article=47f6abc7
BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-30620647
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AirAsia Indonesia QZ8501 SUB to SIN reported missing 0724 Sun 28 Dec 2014
Dec 30, 2014, 3:42 am
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Actually you can expect this from any IATA member airline, this has nothing to do with "Western" countries.
Dec 30, 2014, 3:46 am
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Besides, what an airline agree to do under IATA regulations and what they actually do are not necessarily always the same in all cases. I need to confirm, that's all.
Dec 30, 2014, 4:39 am
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It's official now. Bodies and debris are from the AirAsia aircraft.
Statement issued by AirAsia:
https://m.facebook.com/notes/airasia...52673531233742
Well not always, different cultures have different coping mechanism, it would be arrogant for me to assume crisis management is the same every where. That would be cultural imperialism.
Besides, what an airline agree to do under IATA regulations and what they actually do are not necessarily always the same in all cases. I need to confirm, that's all.
This from the AirAsia statement:
"AirAsia Indonesia will be inviting family members to Surabaya, where a dedicated team of care providers will be assigned to each family to ensure that all of their needs are met. Counsellors, religious and spiritual personnel have also been invited to the family center to provide any necessary services."
Statement issued by AirAsia:
https://m.facebook.com/notes/airasia...52673531233742
Besides, what an airline agree to do under IATA regulations and what they actually do are not necessarily always the same in all cases. I need to confirm, that's all.
"AirAsia Indonesia will be inviting family members to Surabaya, where a dedicated team of care providers will be assigned to each family to ensure that all of their needs are met. Counsellors, religious and spiritual personnel have also been invited to the family center to provide any necessary services."
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Dec 30, 2014, 4:55 am
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May their souls now rest in peace.
I would like to know more about the status of A320 pitot tubes.
Whether they have been the subject of replacement directives similar to the A330 line.
I would like to know more about the status of A320 pitot tubes.
Whether they have been the subject of replacement directives similar to the A330 line.
Dec 30, 2014, 6:17 am
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TV news earlier on reported that there were professional psychologists as well as religious people (christian--IIRC they first said catholic and then corrected the information and just said christian--muslim, and budhist) available for support. Now I don't remember whether this was at SUB or SIN, but I would expect the same at both airports.
Dec 30, 2014, 6:59 am
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http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asi...e-bodies-retri
I saw another report that said 3 recovered, 6 identified. Don't have the link for that one now, sorry (looking at too many different reports).
Dec 30, 2014, 7:28 am
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Corrected back to 3.
http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asi...e-bodies-retri
I saw another report that said 3 recovered, 6 identified. Don't have the link for that one now, sorry (looking at too many different reports).
http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asi...e-bodies-retri
I saw another report that said 3 recovered, 6 identified. Don't have the link for that one now, sorry (looking at too many different reports).
On Dec 30th 2014 Indonesia's Navy reported that Navy ships have recovered more than 40 bodies. A Navy Admiral later corrected the earlier statement of a Navy spokesman stating that three bodies have been recovery by Navy ships, not 40 as reported earlier.
Dec 30, 2014, 8:16 am
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Dec 30, 2014, 10:23 am
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Discussing funeral practices, etc. is off topic - and given the caveats in the wiki, inappropriate matters to discuss in this thread.
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Dec 30, 2014, 10:31 am
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Air Asia Indonesia cancellation policy?
Has Air Asia Indonesia announced any variation on their standard refund policy? Holding ticket on them for Singapore - Bali for CNY, and the wife now doesn't want to go if we fly on them...
Dec 30, 2014, 11:25 am
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For six consecutive years, AirAsia won the World's Best Low Cost Airline by Skytrax from 2009 until 2014. The 2012 World Airline Awards in Farnborough, England ranked the airline the world's best low-cost airline
Dec 30, 2014, 11:39 am
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That's just about the last thing any pilot would do. After hitting severe turbulances (and severe enough to the point where the aircraft may be endangered - which in itself is unlikely), you most definitely would not want to turn around and fly through the same patch of air again. And you most certainly would not pull the speed way back - you'll just fall out of the sky that way.
As far as slowing down, there is absolutely a turbulent air penetration speed defined (Vb) as well as the maneuvering speed (Va). Both of these will be well below the normal operating (Vno) and never exceed (Vne) speeds of the aircraft. Based on some notes I found online, Va on the A320 at FL320 is about ~283 Knots / Mach .78. I've found several different references for Vb, which seems to depend a bit on the operator, but 275 Knots / Mach .76 seems fairly common.
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Dec 30, 2014, 12:50 pm
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That's just about the last thing any pilot would do. After hitting severe turbulances (and severe enough to the point where the aircraft may be endangered - which in itself is unlikely), you most definitely would not want to turn around and fly through the same patch of air again. And you most certainly would not pull the speed way back - you'll just fall out of the sky that way.
Also, it appears that debries are not spread over a large area. This would suggest that the aircraft did not break up inflight, but more likely to have been intact at the point of impact.
Also, it appears that debries are not spread over a large area. This would suggest that the aircraft did not break up inflight, but more likely to have been intact at the point of impact.
Turning around might depend on estimates of cell depth, and is probably less likely than you think.