Mixing Zones on 2-4-1 redemption.
Nov 3, 2008, 4:16 am
#1
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Mixing Zones on 2-4-1 redemption.
Hi,
Have a bit of a question on an Amex 2-4-1 redemption. Didn't find a reference on a quick search.
Am planning a redemption to Egypt and was having a look at a side trip to Cyprus as well.
On a single redemption can i combine a CW flight from LHR-CAI then a CE flight from LCA-LHR?
I'd buy a single from CAI-LCA from Cyprus airways or Olympic to complete the open jaw.
I've done an open jaw LHR-SFO and LAX-LHR in mixed classes but that was to the same redemption zone.
Anyone done this before I give BA a call?
Thanks.
Have a bit of a question on an Amex 2-4-1 redemption. Didn't find a reference on a quick search.
Am planning a redemption to Egypt and was having a look at a side trip to Cyprus as well.
On a single redemption can i combine a CW flight from LHR-CAI then a CE flight from LCA-LHR?
I'd buy a single from CAI-LCA from Cyprus airways or Olympic to complete the open jaw.
I've done an open jaw LHR-SFO and LAX-LHR in mixed classes but that was to the same redemption zone.
Anyone done this before I give BA a call?
Thanks.
Nov 3, 2008, 4:31 am
#2
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 928
Hi,
Have a bit of a question on an Amex 2-4-1 redemption. Didn't find a reference on a quick search.
Am planning a redemption to Egypt and was having a look at a side trip to Cyprus as well.
On a single redemption can i combine a CW flight from LHR-CAI then a CE flight from LCA-LHR?
I'd buy a single from CAI-LCA from Cyprus airways or Olympic to complete the open jaw.
I've done an open jaw LHR-SFO and LAX-LHR in mixed classes but that was to the same redemption zone.
Anyone done this before I give BA a call?
Thanks.
Have a bit of a question on an Amex 2-4-1 redemption. Didn't find a reference on a quick search.
Am planning a redemption to Egypt and was having a look at a side trip to Cyprus as well.
On a single redemption can i combine a CW flight from LHR-CAI then a CE flight from LCA-LHR?
I'd buy a single from CAI-LCA from Cyprus airways or Olympic to complete the open jaw.
I've done an open jaw LHR-SFO and LAX-LHR in mixed classes but that was to the same redemption zone.
Anyone done this before I give BA a call?
Thanks.
I tried a similar thing last year (into DXB & out of HKG) & was told you cannot mix zones......no harm in trying though, you may get lucky
Nov 3, 2008, 5:17 am
#3
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 131
I've tried this in the past and it wasn't possible, though nobody in reservations knew that until they tried to ticket the flight. This was really annoying as I'd called to check if it was allowed (was told yes), and then bought about £200-worth of extra miles to reach the total. Then when I called back and they tried to complete the booking, computer said no.
I couldn't see it in any of the T&C's either.
I couldn't see it in any of the T&C's either.
Nov 3, 2008, 6:30 am
#4
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: London
Posts: 2,385
The T&Cs used to specifically mention open jaws; with examples given on how mixed zones were not allowed.
They updated the T&Cs not so long ago to close the loophole whereby people were effectively extending their 241 by doing a token MAN-LHR leg many months prior to the main international outbound leg. It seems like they decided to cut down the open jaw text, but presumably the principle remains inforce.
They updated the T&Cs not so long ago to close the loophole whereby people were effectively extending their 241 by doing a token MAN-LHR leg many months prior to the main international outbound leg. It seems like they decided to cut down the open jaw text, but presumably the principle remains inforce.
Nov 3, 2008, 7:03 am
#5
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Newbury, England
Posts: 171
System Change?
Last time I was visiting GCM, was booking an outbound to GCM and return from Kingston due to no availability from GCM on the return leg, mentioned to the agent that I would prefer to return from JFK and was told that was now possible as they had a new system. It took a while to go through but I got the reservation at the end of it.
Nov 5, 2008, 9:50 am
#6
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kuala Lumpur
Programs: BA Gold, Enrich Platinum
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BA Amex Companion Voucher - Open Jaw
I have been speaking with BA trying to book the following:
London to Miami - First Class - 4th May 2009
Sao Paolo - London - First Class - 27th May 2009
They confirm that there is availability - however state that as the flights are in different zones - we are unable to book this - I have searched the forum and can't find confirmation of this. So my query - is this the case??
Many Thanks
London to Miami - First Class - 4th May 2009
Sao Paolo - London - First Class - 27th May 2009
They confirm that there is availability - however state that as the flights are in different zones - we are unable to book this - I have searched the forum and can't find confirmation of this. So my query - is this the case??
Many Thanks
Nov 5, 2008, 9:56 am
#7
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: London
Programs: BA Gold, Hilton Gold
Posts: 1,357
Yes
- BA to North America is 50,000
- BA to South America is 70,000
Although nothing in the T&C's about Open Jaws either way.
- BA to North America is 50,000
- BA to South America is 70,000
Although nothing in the T&C's about Open Jaws either way.
Last edited by rupert_s; Nov 5, 2008 at 10:00 am Reason: T&C's comment
Nov 5, 2008, 10:14 am
#8
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kuala Lumpur
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Thanks - I have noted that each leg will require a different amount of miles - which in this case, as travelling in First, would be:
Outbound
London to Miami - 75,000
Returning
Sao Paolo to London - 105,000
giving a total of 180,000 - I have loads of miles so this is not the problem - rather they are refusing to issue the ticket as going out and returning from differing zones is not allowed - although I can't find that anywhere in any terms & conditions
If someone could point me in the right direction I would be very grateful
Outbound
London to Miami - 75,000
Returning
Sao Paolo to London - 105,000
giving a total of 180,000 - I have loads of miles so this is not the problem - rather they are refusing to issue the ticket as going out and returning from differing zones is not allowed - although I can't find that anywhere in any terms & conditions
If someone could point me in the right direction I would be very grateful
Nov 5, 2008, 10:30 am
#9
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Location: WD5, UK
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It is the redemption rules you need to look at, in particular 13.15, which permits open jaws, but not different zone redemptions.
The 241 is in essence an add on to the redemption terms, so I wouldn't expect to see this info in the 241 terms.
https://www.britishairways.com/trave...club/_gf/en_gb
"13.15. Award tickets are subject to IATA fare construction rules. Travel itineraries for Award bookings may start and end at different airports within the same country, or in different countries, provided the two airports are in the same zone. Outbound journeys may terminate at a different airport to the airport where the return journey starts provided the two airports are within the same zone. The different zones are listed in the redemption mileage calculator table on ba.com."
The 241 is in essence an add on to the redemption terms, so I wouldn't expect to see this info in the 241 terms.
https://www.britishairways.com/trave...club/_gf/en_gb
"13.15. Award tickets are subject to IATA fare construction rules. Travel itineraries for Award bookings may start and end at different airports within the same country, or in different countries, provided the two airports are in the same zone. Outbound journeys may terminate at a different airport to the airport where the return journey starts provided the two airports are within the same zone. The different zones are listed in the redemption mileage calculator table on ba.com."
Nov 5, 2008, 10:32 am
#11
Join Date: Jan 2006
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It is the redemption rules you need to look at, in particular 13.15, which permits open jaws, but not different zone redemptions.
The 241 is in essence an add on to the redemption terms, so I wouldn't expect to see this info in the 241 terms.
https://www.britishairways.com/trave...club/_gf/en_gb
"13.15. Award tickets are subject to IATA fare construction rules. Travel itineraries for Award bookings may start and end at different airports within the same country, or in different countries, provided the two airports are in the same zone. Outbound journeys may terminate at a different airport to the airport where the return journey starts provided the two airports are within the same zone. The different zones are listed in the redemption mileage calculator table on ba.com."
The 241 is in essence an add on to the redemption terms, so I wouldn't expect to see this info in the 241 terms.
https://www.britishairways.com/trave...club/_gf/en_gb
"13.15. Award tickets are subject to IATA fare construction rules. Travel itineraries for Award bookings may start and end at different airports within the same country, or in different countries, provided the two airports are in the same zone. Outbound journeys may terminate at a different airport to the airport where the return journey starts provided the two airports are within the same zone. The different zones are listed in the redemption mileage calculator table on ba.com."
Nov 5, 2008, 10:43 am
#12
Join Date: Jan 2006
Programs: Mucci, BA Gold, HHonours Diamond, BA AMEX PremPlus
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Last time I was visiting GCM, was booking an outbound to GCM and return from Kingston due to no availability from GCM on the return leg, mentioned to the agent that I would prefer to return from JFK and was told that was now possible as they had a new system. It took a while to go through but I got the reservation at the end of it.