"highly likely" fleet plans

Old Jun 15, 08, 5:42 am
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"highly likely" fleet plans

Not a rumour but fact as it stands, though with fluctuating oil prices who knows?

All Short Haul 767s to be stood down for winter at least, possibly starting in sept, vague possibility of conversion to Long haul.

6 777-300ERs to be ordered with 6 options for delivery in 2010/1 to replace 744s and cover for late 787s. This may or may not be part of the larger order of 773/350s.

3 additional a320 family aircraft to be ordered.
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Old Jun 15, 08, 5:44 am
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Jumbo - any more detail on where the fleet won't be flying to in Oct?
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Old Jun 15, 08, 5:46 am
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Why are they going to remove the 767s?? Is it that they can't be filled -even to Moscow or Larnaca? Or will they be replaced on these routes by Long-Haul 777s (I know Smirnoff would be pleased to see a flat bed to Moscow!)

Glad to hear the 777-300 is likely to be ordered, I certainly think it's a sensible decision.

Thanks for the info Jumbodriver
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Old Jun 15, 08, 5:49 am
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The short haul 767s wont be going anywhere, they will all be stood down. DME etc may be a problem.
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Originally Posted by Jumbodriver View Post
DME etc may be a problem.
Is poor Smirny going to freak out now ?
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Is the 767 the least environmentally-friendly BA (shorthaul) aircraft?
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Originally Posted by Jumbodriver View Post
The short haul 767s wont be going anywhere, they will all be stood down. DME etc may be a problem.
Very hard to believe BA will ditch the 767 Moscow service with the amount of J seats it sells at 1800 return. On a busy day you can get 150 J pax on the 767 - where will they all go?.
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Old Jun 15, 08, 8:08 am
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Is poor Smirny going to freak out now ?
Yes if he has to go with BMI

I'm surprised to hear comments re. DME as I understood this to be one of our most commercially important routes. It will be interesting to see what transpires.
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I take it the TLV 767's (Longhaul NCW) won't be touched?
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What hasn't been established though is WHY they are doing this? What is the point of BA keeping aircraft but not using them when there is a clear demand? I don't understand why they would do this -ok the 767s are a bit tatty but so are the 757s and some 737s -the 767s are not old by any stretch of the imagination!
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Old Jun 15, 08, 11:04 am
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Is poor Smirny going to freak out now ?
Yes if he has to go with BMI
He seems to have survived is AMM-LHR on BD rather well, though.
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Personally, I dislike the 767 in shorthaul configuration in CE format.
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LCA and ATH are unlikely to be a problem except for peak periods around half term and christmas. DME on the other hand...

Any idea if the current thinking is to keep them somewhere handy to be brought back into service when and if required? Might they for instance keep a couple to do the occasional weekday runs to DME and weekend runs to LCA?
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I must admit that I don't get this. The 77W is so much larger than the 787 that I do not see how it can be an interim solution? Surely as interim lift the 772 would be better? Are they planning to use 77W's to replace 772's on some routes, then redeploy the 772's to cover for the 787's? If so then BA are increasing capacity on some 772 routes markedly. If they want to use 77W's on routes planned for 787's then somewhere along the line their planning has gone badly awry. I don't believe this

Surely the best interim for the 787's would be the 767 fleet - which apparently are being laid up.

Something does not seem to add up here - what am I missing?
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I must admit that I don't get this. The 77W is so much larger than the 787 that I do not see how it can be an interim solution? Surely as interim lift the 772 would be better? Are they planning to use 77W's to replace 772's on some routes, then redeploy the 772's to cover for the 787's? If so then BA are increasing capacity on some 772 routes markedly. If they want to use 77W's on routes planned for 787's then somewhere along the line their planning has gone badly awry. I don't believe this

Surely the best interim for the 787's would be the 767 fleet - which apparently are being laid up.

Something does not seem to add up here - what am I missing?
Ditto!! I don't see the logic behind this.
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