New LCY Routes: AMS x 4, BCN, NCE + WAW
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"London City Airport says that it is now officially full following last week's announcement that Air France subsidiary CityJet will switch its flights to Strasbourg from Gatwick to the Docklands hub.
An airport spokeswoman told news website abtn.co.uk: 'We are at capacity with the recent introduction of Strasbourg, Vienna and Berlin. We have applied for an increase in movements from the current level of 80,000 to 120,000 by 2010 - hopefully that will be approved by the London Borough of Newham.'
Any increase of that magnitude would allow passenger numbers to rise to 3.9m, although the airport says that opening hours would not change and that there would be no need for night flights."
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I think if BA were to enter this market they would have to act boldly. LON-AMS is a prime, prime air route and LCY-AMS on BA is something I've been hoping for for ages. BA, correctly to my mind, is playing its cards in an intelligent manner here by seeking to properly serve the business market. I can only hope they will follow up by allowing their planes to properly dock at the D-pier at AMS instead of the unceremonious bus ride into the terminal from the Fokker farm. Well for that matter, I can only hope the UK will join Schengen as well. But I'd bet more on the former than the latter.
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VG is also the largest operator at LCY, so running them off will be no mean feat. Both KL and VG flights to LCY seem to pretty busy, so even with BA joining there may not be a direct casualty. The winter schedule has 16 daily return flights to LCY from AMS, 7 on KLM and 9 on VLM. That's in the order of 800 seats to fill, and four daily BA flights on larger aircraft will mean a signficant capacity increase. When VG started these flights they were running on light loads, but recently their flights been getting filled up too.
VLM has my preference over KLM, but I'll take a BA jet any day over the F-50's. VLM is experimenting with 146's on the RTM route and may add more of that type to their fleet, so that might remove that BA advantage. Given a choice of similar schedules though, I'd choose BA for the tier points and miles over VLM.
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and I hate to say it but VG has the edge in terms of comfort and service...it's a great little airline. I heard/read rumours that WW is interested in snapping it up though...thereby cornering LCY as a third shorthaul hub in time for 2012...?
The BCN route seems a really intelligent move to me. Delighted about it. Will make my life (being east London based part of the time) considerably easier...
Does anyone know how the LCY - GLA flights are faring, in general? Have travelled that route a few times over the last few months (but never at the morning or evening peak, usually middle of day/late afternoon) and passenger loads have usually seemed pretty light to me (just as well because a full RJ is pretty uncomfortable - that's one of the downsides of BA from LCY).
The BCN route seems a really intelligent move to me. Delighted about it. Will make my life (being east London based part of the time) considerably easier...
Does anyone know how the LCY - GLA flights are faring, in general? Have travelled that route a few times over the last few months (but never at the morning or evening peak, usually middle of day/late afternoon) and passenger loads have usually seemed pretty light to me (just as well because a full RJ is pretty uncomfortable - that's one of the downsides of BA from LCY).
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Alas I think BA's strategy at LCY is defensive (i.e. discourage AF/KL, VLM et al from expanding further) rather than genuinely being converted to the idea of LCY as a furthe BA centre of operations in the long term.
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As I understand it, though, aren't VG's operations largely funded by some rather significant route deals from the City and Docklands-based banks?
I wonder if BA are hoping to encourage such banks to consolidate where they have BA for the ex-LHR routes, or if they're just going for the one-off bookings.
I wonder if BA are hoping to encourage such banks to consolidate where they have BA for the ex-LHR routes, or if they're just going for the one-off bookings.
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You bet. I'm delighted to hear this news as it'll free me from the thrall of the F50. Since VLM started their service I've mainly been using them (as they're better than KLM), but the lack of a FF program has always rankled. BA's flights can't start soon enough as far as I am concerned.
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Indeed an interesting tactic... LCY is full now anyway so if they run VLM off maybe they could obtain their slots....
"London City Airport says that it is now officially full following last week's announcement that Air France subsidiary CityJet will switch its flights to Strasbourg from Gatwick to the Docklands hub.
An airport spokeswoman told news website abtn.co.uk: 'We are at capacity with the recent introduction of Strasbourg, Vienna and Berlin. We have applied for an increase in movements from the current level of 80,000 to 120,000 by 2010 - hopefully that will be approved by the London Borough of Newham.'
Any increase of that magnitude would allow passenger numbers to rise to 3.9m, although the airport says that opening hours would not change and that there would be no need for night flights."
"London City Airport says that it is now officially full following last week's announcement that Air France subsidiary CityJet will switch its flights to Strasbourg from Gatwick to the Docklands hub.
An airport spokeswoman told news website abtn.co.uk: 'We are at capacity with the recent introduction of Strasbourg, Vienna and Berlin. We have applied for an increase in movements from the current level of 80,000 to 120,000 by 2010 - hopefully that will be approved by the London Borough of Newham.'
Any increase of that magnitude would allow passenger numbers to rise to 3.9m, although the airport says that opening hours would not change and that there would be no need for night flights."
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I think the most urgent need at LCY at the moment rather than a longer runway is increased apron space and a parallel taxi way for the full runway length to avoid having aircraft have to "backtrack" down the runway ... sometimes the ground delays can be as bad as LHR these days because of the very tight area for aircraft movements.