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csdf Jul 20, 07 3:44 am

OT: LH considering flat beds in economy
 
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...r-economy.html

Seems a bit far-fetched to me, but on the other hand it would be a massive differentiator on long-haul.

The Specialist Jul 20, 07 3:52 am

Having seen that picture I'm wondering whether the holds below are named "Tom, Dick and Harry"

phreegreens Jul 20, 07 4:00 am


Originally Posted by The Specialist (Post 8088901)
Having seen that picture I'm wondering whether the holds below are named "Tom, Dick and Harry"

:) :) :)

Can I be the first.

"What's the best bunk on a Lufty A380 ?"

Sorry..!

alex0683de Jul 20, 07 4:41 am

There's been a fair amount of discussion of this already on the LH board:

http://flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=713372

The original survey LH sent to some of its FF's was also sent to an FTer, who was kind enough to leak the information to us long before the media caught wind of it. :D

Personally, I love the idea. I don't have the money to fly Business on my own dime, but for 200 extra per segment I would book this option in an instant!

Skimo Jul 20, 07 5:38 am

I'd be sceptical if this ever came to fruition on traditional carriers. Isn't it in a full service carriers interest to ensure that Y is not too comfortable in order to protect and sell it's premium products? If the proposed bunk was similar to a crew bunk, in both size and comfort, it's going to be much better as a sleeping surface than F on the majority of carriers (with the exception of SQ 77W).

BraniffLuvr Jul 20, 07 6:02 am


Originally Posted by Skimo (Post 8089072)
I'd be sceptical if this ever came to fruition on traditional carriers. Isn't it in a full service carriers interest to ensure that Y is not too comfortable in order to protect and sell it's premium products? If the proposed bunk was similar to a crew bunk, in both size and comfort, it's going to be much better as a sleeping surface than F on the majority of carriers (with the exception of SQ 77W).


It's a great idea, but that it would be positioned more in the Premium Economy Sector, especially if FIRST gets pulled on several routes by many carriers.

The major issues will be natural light from windows (not such an issue on night flight....!), and the ease with which pax can escape in an emergency.

Looks like bunks I endured during my time in the Navy, though....

I suppose it is just a natural progression....I seem to remember Hawaaian or was it Phillippines had a similar bed concept installed in the 1980s......?

adrianjc32 Jul 20, 07 6:08 am

I think it looks pretty dreadful in that picture (army barracks), but what an idea!! Not sure about some of the practicalities either, brilliant for relatively fit people, but not for the elderly or anyone with a disability etc. Imagine telling a little old lady that she has the top bunk!! Even getting into the bottom one would be a nighmare for the elderly!

TEX277 Jul 20, 07 6:10 am


Originally Posted by Skimo (Post 8089072)
Isn't it in a full service carriers interest to ensure that Y is not too comfortable in order to protect and sell it's premium products?

Perhaps but privacy and service are also factors. I see this LH idea as being akin to sharing a dorm at a YHA. It could well be comfortable but with a Crowne Plaza a few steps away and a Four Seasons just a little further beyond that, I'd set my sights a little higher.

jjpb3 Jul 20, 07 6:16 am

I'm imagining the combination of this type of cabin with BA seat shifting policy ... and the threads that would ensue on FT.

BraniffLuvr Jul 20, 07 6:18 am


Originally Posted by jjpb3 (Post 8089162)
I'm imagining the combination of this type of cabin with BA seat shifting policy ... and the threads that would ensue on FT.


Why do BA have a policy if "seat shifting"?

alex0683de Jul 20, 07 7:01 am


Originally Posted by BraniffLuvr (Post 8089165)
Why do BA have a policy if "seat shifting"?

You'll have to ask Willie Walsh that question, I s'pose.

But basically, the problem is that even if you qualify for advance seat assignments, they are no guarantee whatsoever that the seat you asked for will be the seat you get.

I know a seat assignment is not a guarantee on any carrier, but with BA seat re-assignment has become extremely common lately.

simongr Jul 20, 07 7:20 am

The main challenge I see with this is that PAX will have to lie down the whole time pretty much and wont be able to sit up at all. Great if you want to sleep but not that many people would sleep the entire flight...

BraniffLuvr Jul 20, 07 7:31 am


Originally Posted by simongr (Post 8089348)
The main challenge I see with this is that PAX will have to lie down the whole time pretty much and wont be able to sit up at all. Great if you want to sleep but not that many people would sleep the entire flight...

Good point.

Wouldn't this run into cultural sensitivities? Europeans may be quite happy lying next to someone they don't know but many East Asian and Arabic people would be less than pleased to end up in this arrangement.

sdorling Jul 20, 07 7:42 am


Originally Posted by simongr (Post 8089348)
The main challenge I see with this is that PAX will have to lie down the whole time pretty much and wont be able to sit up at all. Great if you want to sleep but not that many people would sleep the entire flight...

If your not planning on sleeping for the majority of the flight then why would you both paying a premium for a bed :confused:

I think this is only really going to be feasible on the A380 for sure, perhaps on the 748 too, but from my limited understanding that is going to have considerably less capacity?! - I'm sure someone will be able to correct me on that.

Either way, I think its an innovative idea. One of the major benefits in a premium class is the ability to sleep and arrive at your destination feeling (reletively) refreshed and the majority of longhaul routes (S. Africa, Far East, South America) are overnight. It seems most of the N. America flights, particually Eastbound are overnight too so why not focus on a cheap way for the majority of passengers to sleep - Bet it would make the crews life easier.

For me, as a youngster, the incentive to travel in club would be less - particually with the right coloured plastic getting me into the lounges before and after (where applicable) the flight.

More Champagne Sir? Jul 20, 07 7:47 am

Ironic that LH considers flat beds in Y, but won't consider seat-back IFE!! I'm sure I read on FT somewhere that LH is the ONLY major airline that when ordering new aircraft, does not opt for seat-back IFE in Y :eek:


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