BA versus Expertflyer
Jun 20, 2005, 9:28 pm
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Originally Posted by lopinc1
I was curious about this also so I tried out what you said. When I selected Amadeus as the method in KVS, it did not give an option for POS selection. Why is that? So does it default to the US POS or UK POS?
BTW, you appear to be using a very old version of the Tool and should upgrade.
Originally Posted by lopinc1
I compared some BA flights between KVS and ExpertFlyer and the results look the same. Is there something we're missing? Seems that the GDS doesn't matter so much as the POS.
Jun 21, 2005, 12:12 am
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Originally Posted by KVS
The POS for the Tool's Amadeus/AUA option is, presumably, Austria and it cannot be changed.
BTW, you appear to be using a very old version of the Tool and should upgrade.
The issue becomes when the results do not match (as demonstrated here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...79#post4164391), in which case Amadeus data would be more accurate.
BTW, you appear to be using a very old version of the Tool and should upgrade.
The issue becomes when the results do not match (as demonstrated here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...79#post4164391), in which case Amadeus data would be more accurate.
So when looking up BA flights with the Amadeus method, a POS of Austria means you're seeing the UK BA inventory?
Jun 21, 2005, 12:27 pm
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Originally Posted by lopinc1
So when looking up BA flights with the Amadeus method, a POS of Austria means you're seeing the UK BA inventory?
.Also, there is really no such thing as "UK BA inventory":
- The POS country for the Amadeus: AUA/*A method of the Tool is Austria
- The POS country for the Worldspan: ITN/CWT & Apollo: ITN/CWT methods is United States
Jun 21, 2005, 12:37 pm
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Originally Posted by ropmot141
Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. I thought that nigel was unable to get availability from his normal call centre (UK?) but when he called the US they used some of their availability to confirm his booking. I.e. no POS=UK "D" bucket, so call BA-US and get them to confirm your flight out of their POS=US "D" bucket? What I can't believe is that it would be possible to get around the system like this and find availability to confirm into. Perhaps I've grasped the wrong end of the stick entirely?
This does work and theoretically one could just keep ringing up around the world until one hits what one wants. It is not even continent specific as the BA Portugal experiences demonstrate.
Jun 21, 2005, 1:05 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
Not unless Austria had recently decided to become a part of the UK .
Also, there is really no such thing as "UK BA inventory":
.Also, there is really no such thing as "UK BA inventory":
- The POS country for the Amadeus: AUA/*A method of the Tool is Austria
- The POS country for the Worldspan: ITN/CWT & Apollo: ITN/CWT methods is United States
Or is the answer a 3rd set of BA availability that isn't either the UK or US set?
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Jun 21, 2005, 1:19 pm
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Originally Posted by lopinc1
Haha, no I wouldn't imagine so. What I meant to say was, we know that if you phone BA US you can get a certain inventory, and if you phone BA UK you get a different set of inventory, so when using the Amadeus method of the KVS tool, which one am I seeing?
Or is the answer a 3rd set of BA availability that isn't either the UK or US set?
Or is the answer a 3rd set of BA availability that isn't either the UK or US set?
The answer to your question is in the quote which begins your question
Jun 21, 2005, 1:27 pm
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Originally Posted by lopinc1
What I meant to say was, we know that if you phone BA US you can get a certain inventory, and if you phone BA UK you get a different set of inventory, so when using the Amadeus method of the KVS tool, which one am I seeing?
Or is the answer a 3rd set of BA availability that isn't either the UK or US set? Either way, we would need to know so we know which country to call.
Or is the answer a 3rd set of BA availability that isn't either the UK or US set? Either way, we would need to know so we know which country to call.
For example, BA could, in theory, set it up so that:
- If an agent at a BA call centre located in UK requests availability for flight A, in class Y, return Y2
- If an agent at a BA travel shop located in London requests availability for the same flight, return Y3
- If an agent at a BA travel shop located in Oxford requests availability for the same flight, return Y4
- If a BA LHR airport agent requests availability for the same flight, return Y5
- If another airline's office, located in the UK requests availability for the same flight, return Y6
Jun 21, 2005, 2:20 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
The short answer to your question is "3rd set". However, it's more complicated than that. POS consists of a number of components. While Country is, often, the most significant component, it is not the only one.
Talk about revenue management!
Jun 21, 2005, 3:18 pm
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Originally Posted by inlanikai
So, if I understand this, if Country is the most significant component this will play more of a role, along with who (TA/CTO) is asking for the inventory, then what GDS is used to do the res? Not all TA's are on the same GDS.
Jun 24, 2005, 2:35 am
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Originally Posted by pauldb
www.americanairlines.co.uk/ will sell you the US inventory.
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Jun 24, 2005, 5:06 am
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Originally Posted by pachamama
How do I book the US inventory online please? I went to the AA (uk) site and there are 3 choices to select on which country you reside in. If I do UK then am I sold the UK inventory and the price is a lot higher. If I choose US as my residence I get the lower Business Class fare but as I understand it, do I not have to then go to an AA office in the states or can I go to a UK with my Locator?
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AA UK ticketing is done either of Spain, or sometimes Ireland. I wonder whether they are not using Euro availability
I think that if you probably have to pick the location that matches your CC addresss.
Jun 24, 2005, 11:16 am
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Originally Posted by pachamama
How do I book the US inventory online please? I went to the AA (uk) site and there are 3 choices to select on which country you reside in. If I do UK then am I sold the UK inventory and the price is a lot higher. If I choose US as my residence I get the lower Business Class fare but as I understand it, do I not have to then go to an AA office in the states or can I go to a UK with my Locator?
http://www.aa.com/apps/reservations/...horEvent=false
you are selecting your POS (see the FAQ in the link below for an explanation of what it means).
If you select "U.S. & All Others" as your POS, you will get ex-US availability. Their booking engine does list UK as a valid selection for the billing address.
Jun 25, 2005, 11:16 am
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Originally Posted by KVS
When you select "Country of Residence:" at
http://www.aa.com/apps/reservations/...horEvent=false
you are selecting your POS (see the FAQ in the link below for an explanation of what it means).
If you select "U.S. & All Others" as your POS, you will get ex-US availability. Their booking engine does list UK as a valid selection for the billing address.
http://www.aa.com/apps/reservations/...horEvent=false
you are selecting your POS (see the FAQ in the link below for an explanation of what it means).
If you select "U.S. & All Others" as your POS, you will get ex-US availability. Their booking engine does list UK as a valid selection for the billing address.