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CityFlyer cabin densification

Old Dec 10, 2023, 2:08 pm
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Originally Posted by camdentown
Er, how can that make economic sense?
If its true it s triumph of mediocre management over common sense.
Common sense suggests that, before taking this decision, BA will have run some simulations based on data in their possession.

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Old Dec 10, 2023, 2:12 pm
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I see USB sockets are being installed at the same time. Could this mean the joys of thinner seats? Conversely, is WiFi also coming?
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Old Dec 10, 2023, 2:17 pm
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Originally Posted by Prospero
Sure, an optimist’s point of view is BA may follow the Lufty group, and retain two cabin crew. Setting aside the reduction in seat pitch, from 33” to 30.6”, the E90 is optimised for 27 rows as each row gets a window and no rows have the misfortune of a misaligned window - North American frequent flyers will appreciate this instantly
To be clear, I am definitely not an optimist here.
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Old Dec 10, 2023, 2:33 pm
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How long till it goes to a 3-3 configuration
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Old Dec 10, 2023, 2:37 pm
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Are they going to fit bigger capacity overhead lockers in the process? BACF flights are already pretty bad from a hand luggage perspective
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Old Dec 10, 2023, 2:46 pm
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Originally Posted by Prospero
Other European airlines install >100 seats in their E90s and institute the blocking of every other seat in Business so in practice the total passenger count is below 100
Finnair does block middle seats for Eurobusiness flights rather than making them tables like BA Club Europe.
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Old Dec 10, 2023, 3:13 pm
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Originally Posted by Bongodog1964
I thought there was an agreement between BA and BALPA that LCY aircraft had to have less than 100 seats ? If this is not the case surely BA would have reduced the seat pitch many years ago.
I seem to remember something along those lines yes, and it was also a reason why BACF wasn't even looking at the A220. Has something changed?
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Old Dec 10, 2023, 3:41 pm
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Originally Posted by Prospero
Sure, an optimist’s point of view is BA may follow the Lufty group, and retain two cabin crew. Setting aside the reduction in seat pitch, from 33” to 30.6”, the E90 is optimised for 27 rows as each row gets a window and no rows have the misfortune of a misaligned window - North American frequent flyers will appreciate this instantly
I think North American frequent flyers - at least on aa and as - will appreciate the 1+2 seating at the front as well!
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Old Dec 10, 2023, 4:57 pm
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Originally Posted by Bongodog1964
I thought there was an agreement between BA and BALPA that LCY aircraft had to have less than 100 seats ? If this is not the case surely BA would have reduced the seat pitch many years ago.
That went with COVID
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Old Dec 10, 2023, 5:14 pm
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I thought this was common knowledge as its been knocking around on Facebook groups for a while but clearly it wasnt.
It does seem a strange move given weight constraints ex LCY ive ofteen seen a load of offloaded pax being given rheir EU261 comp and being rebooked and put in taxis to other airports
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Old Dec 10, 2023, 5:36 pm
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Originally Posted by alex67500
I seem to remember something along those lines yes, and it was also a reason why BACF wasn't even looking at the A220. Has something changed?
The scope clause that meant mainline pilots had to fly anything above 100 seats seems to have been scrapped when Euroflyer was created with the subsidiary pilots being merged onto the mainline seniority list. I'm sure the resident pilot fraternity here could explain it more, I can only find references to it on PPRUNE.

https://www.pprune.org/terms-endearm...l#post11361714
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Old Dec 10, 2023, 5:46 pm
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Originally Posted by TedToToe
Common sense suggests that, before taking this decision, BA will have run some simulations based on data in their possession.
… and experience suggests that not all ba’s simulations have proved insightful for n the past…
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Old Dec 10, 2023, 5:51 pm
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Will BACF be able to do this quickly though. Surely there's not that much flex in capacity to do this other than normal maintenance.
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Cabin comfort, seat pitch and F&B in Y was their soft product differentiator.
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Old Dec 10, 2023, 6:17 pm
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As unhappy as this revelation makes me feel, the additional space at 2CD on the 190's is effectively wasted space. I'm guessing with a rejigging of the overall densification (which at 33") I've always considered overly generous compared to mainline to say 31" will achieve the necessary space to add the extra rows of seats. Even at 31" it would still be more comfortable than mainline.
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Old Dec 10, 2023, 6:28 pm
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Originally Posted by 1Aturnleft
As unhappy as this revelation makes me feel, the additional space at 2CD on the 190's is effectively wasted space. I'm guessing with a rejigging of the overall densification (which at 33") I've always considered overly generous compared to mainline to say 31" will achieve the necessary space to add the extra rows of seats. Even at 31" it would still be more comfortable than mainline.
Or, rather than 33” being ‘overly generous’, perhaps anything less is unnecessarily ’mean’ or torturous…
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