Is BA a customer of CFM via AOG Technics?

Old Sep 15, 23, 12:52 am
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Is BA a customer of CFM via AOG Technics?

I’m curious as these alleged stories about using fake documents to certify spare parts are a little worrying.

Apologies if this has already been posted elsewhere but I couldn’t find it.

https://simpleflying.com/cfm-fake-engine-parts-lawsuit/

https://aviationweek.com/mro/aircraft-propulsion/cfm-suit-seeks-information-linked-parts-brokers-falsified-records
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Old Sep 15, 23, 12:56 am
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BA doesn't have CFM56 engines.
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Old Sep 15, 23, 12:58 am
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Originally Posted by 13901
BA doesn't have CFM56 engines.
Thanks for the rapid reply and that’s a relief. The article said CFM supplied parts for older 320s so I immediately thought of the G-GAT fleet.

Many thanks for the reassurance.
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Old Sep 15, 23, 1:23 am
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Originally Posted by 13901
BA doesn't have CFM56 engines.
and even if they did, I would assume that in light of the story extra precautions/checks would be taken. Not sure what the OP is worrying/panicking about.
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Old Sep 15, 23, 1:28 am
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Originally Posted by PlaneSpeaking
Thanks for the rapid reply and that’s a relief. The article said CFM supplied parts for older 320s so I immediately thought of the G-GAT fleet.

Many thanks for the reassurance.
No, they're all on IAE V2500s. A CFM56, on the 320 family, looks short and chubby, with a "bit" sticking out from behind. See below from the old (and missed, IMHO) Lufthansa Italia


Airbus A319-112 - Lufthansa Italia | Aviation Photo #6723945 | Airliners.net

Whereas BA's A320s have IAE V2500s, which have longer cowlings with a shiny end. See below a G-GATx:


Airbus A320-232 - British Airways | Aviation Photo #7273387 | Airliners.net

This doesn't mean to say that BA has ever had CFM56s in fleet; the two A318s that plied the LCY-JFK route had them, and so did the old 737-400s in LGW.
Airbus ACJ318 (A318-112/CJ) - British Airways | Aviation Photo #5816881 | Airliners.net
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Old Sep 15, 23, 1:29 am
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and even if they did, I would assume that in light of the story extra precautions/checks would be taken. Not sure what the OP is worrying/panicking about.
Sure, but I guess it's fair to worry about it. What AOG did - by the way, I stopped seeing their vans around the campus - was utterly despicable.
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Old Sep 15, 23, 1:29 am
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Originally Posted by DXB2745
and even if they did, I would assume that in light of the story extra precautions/checks would be taken. Not sure what the OP is worrying/panicking about.
I tend not to assume anything which is why I asked what I thought was a perfectly reasonable question.

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Sure, but I guess it's fair to worry about it. What AOG did - by the way, I stopped seeing their vans around the campus - was utterly despicable.
Thanks for the support 13901 and also for the engine info which was really interesting. This is what this forum exists for - imparting knowledge for those who don’t have it rather than bashing for the sake of it.

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Old Sep 15, 23, 1:34 am
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I tend not to assume anything which is why I asked what I thought was a perfectly reasonable question.
in light of a public facing story, it would be absolutely bizarre that *if* these parts were identified, BA would do nothing about it. Maybe my view is simplistic
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Old Sep 15, 23, 1:42 am
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Going way way back since the days when BA were a reputable company who liked to do things properly and not always just pay the absolute cheapest for everything, they have always been keen on doing maintenance right. Strangely, engines is one of the things they still stick with the same principles today, BA will only allow brand new parts or parts that have been only in BA engines previously to be used in their engines. Rolls Royce in Derby and GE in South Wales both had a completely separate warehouse setup of BA only parts in addition to their normal supply of certified parts from other users that get swapped around. I know this is certainly still the case at GE and I presume is still the arrangement with RR.
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Old Sep 15, 23, 6:11 am
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Going way way back since the days when BA were a reputable company who liked to do things properly and not always just pay the absolute cheapest for everything, they have always been keen on doing maintenance right. Strangely, engines is one of the things they still stick with the same principles today, BA will only allow brand new parts or parts that have been only in BA engines previously to be used in their engines. Rolls Royce in Derby and GE in South Wales both had a completely separate warehouse setup of BA only parts in addition to their normal supply of certified parts from other users that get swapped around. I know this is certainly still the case at GE and I presume is still the arrangement with RR.
R-R do not allow PMA parts to be installed on any of their TCA engines, which includes all of BA’s Trent fleet. Normally airlines, again including BA, will only agree to have their own serialised parts installed, but on occasion will agree to accept a serialised part from another operator as long as there is full traceable paperwork
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