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Strike planned - LHR T5 - HAL's security staff 31 March to 9 April 2023

Strike planned - LHR T5 - HAL's security staff 31 March to 9 April 2023

Old Mar 23, 2023, 1:49 pm
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It never rains.... or what could possibly go wrong... . My original booking, via a TA with AA on BA FCO-LHR was to be on 30th March. The evening FCO-LHR is now a Finnair flight - but of course, for in all intents and purposes, still a BA flight. However, AA says, oh no it isn't (and BA says, oh yes it is...) and booked me onto an earlier BA flight - which departed before my meeting ended, so had to rebook on the first BA flight the following day - the 31st - Yikes! Would be interesting whether I can persuade BA to move be back onto the evening flight on the 30th to avoid any potential issues... . (Pigs might fly too I suppose).
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Old Mar 24, 2023, 1:17 am
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Originally Posted by Erwin10
I am not a 100% sure why Heathrow can't make the investment while other airports did without increasing airport fees outrageously. Pretty sure Heathrow earns enough money with airport fees already, being the most expensive airport.
LHR has no incentive in being thrifty with money, or even moderately scrupulous with it, because they just recharge the airline community in % equal to the amount of flying they do, and the airlines then recharge the passengers. As long as flying to LHR is something people want to do more than, say, flying to LGW or STN the airlines will put up with it (within reason).

Additionally, LHR is effectively a venture capital fund that happens to run an airport. What matters is the dividend at the end of the year.

Originally Posted by stifle
Even if the DfT allowed it, T5 has no way of segregating "trusted" from "non-trusted" arrivals other than the arrangement at gates A1-7 (?). They could in theory send people up the escalators to the departure floor but that messes with conformance.
They could do it today, actually, by doing what most other airports do: you backtrack the flow at the gate. So, today you go down the escalator (or the stairs) and down the jetty when embarking. In a parallel universe where the evanescent Mark Harper actually had any interest in doing his job (still, he's an improvement over Grayling or Shapps), we could have a situation where, if arriving from a domestic, or from a 'secure' airport (Europe, the US, perhaps the same nations whose passports can be used at e-gates) one could simply climb up the stairs or the escalators (or the lift) and - ta-da! - be in the departures area. Sure, HAL would need to modify the escalators (I believe they only go down, or at least I remember them having only one setting, on and off), which obviously will cost a gazillion GBP, take six years and possibly a reduction in flying, but... it could be done.

What would be harder to do is baggage. US airlines do tail-to-tail transfers, but in a containerised world that's rather hard to do, and even harder when you have stands changing a lot for a flight. Right now the process flow in the baggage system doesn't allow a bypass of the scanning machines, which is where the main bottleneck is. It might require something else.

Anyway, it's science fiction anyway, DfT has just no interest in doing that and HAL would lose a stream of income, so why bother.
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Old Mar 24, 2023, 4:08 am
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Originally Posted by 13901
Additionally, LHR is effectively a venture capital fund that happens to run an airport. What matters is the dividend at the end of the year.
Some excellent information in the post, but LHR is really nothing like a venture capital fund. VC funds invest in early-stage growth businesses, that don't make money never mind pay dividends. LHR is a massive piece of utility-like infrastructure owned mostly by a group of specialist infrastructure investors, public pension funds and sovereign wealth funds. Sorry to be so picky. But we go crazy - quite rightly - if people refer to a connection when a trip is on two searate tickets or if someone confuses MCE with premium economy so just trying to maintain standards!
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Old Mar 24, 2023, 5:17 am
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HALs contingency plan will be a few non union members and a few suitably trained managers. If this strike actually happens then flights will be cancelled in spades. So I doubt this will take place!
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Old Mar 24, 2023, 12:16 pm
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Heathrow's website now has a page about the strike and says it has been "confirmed"

Industrial Action | Heathrow
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Old Mar 24, 2023, 1:11 pm
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Originally Posted by MASTERNC
Heathrow's website now has a page about the strike and says it has been "confirmed"

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The website makes no mention of it being restricted to T5 - is that confirmed to be the only terminal at risk?

Also I was wondering how HAL has separate disputes with security in one terminal. Presumably they are employed on standard terms across the airport?
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Old Mar 24, 2023, 1:44 pm
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Originally Posted by aristoph
The website makes no mention of it being restricted to T5 - is that confirmed to be the only terminal at risk?

Also I was wondering how HAL has separate disputes with security in one terminal. Presumably they are employed on standard terms across the airport?
It is just T5 staff who are going on strike. I wouldnt take the fact that Unite have confirmed the strike as anything more than the usual brinksmanship involved in these industrial disputes, the legal requirements for a strike are already met.

HAL released a statement:

'We are doing everything we can to minimise the impact of this irresponsible action by Unite.

'We are deploying 1,000 additional colleagues and the entire management team who will be in the terminals providing assistance to passengers over the busy Easter getaway.'

Last week, Unite announced that more than 1,400 of its members employed by Heathrow Airports Ltd (HAL) will take 10 days of strike action after voting in favour of walkouts.


I still believe we will see a deal but the timescales are clearly getting shorter, it will all depend on whether HAL believe they have the staff to scupper the effects of the action in much the same way that border staff actions have been rendered virtually irrelevant (and I would say I am no socialist but I support reasonable pay rises to help with cost of living for all of these groups). Waves of cancellations over Easter will be a PR disaster for HAL and every news outlet and their dog just love to be camped outside Heathrow with masses of people in queues and planes thundering overhead- it makes for very visual news, if you get my drift
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Old Mar 24, 2023, 2:15 pm
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Even if flights aren't cancelled, any work disruption there (plus the train strikes around London) will likely keep us in the airport for a 10-hour layover instead of taking a quick tour of the city.
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Old Mar 24, 2023, 2:57 pm
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Originally Posted by aristoph
The website makes no mention of it being restricted to T5 - is that confirmed to be the only terminal at risk?

Also I was wondering how HAL has separate disputes with security in one terminal. Presumably they are employed on standard terms across the airport?
It may be indicative of a plan to redistribute security workers around the airport to compensate for the strikes in T5. Better slower lines across the board than T5 grounding to a halt entirely.
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Old Mar 24, 2023, 3:04 pm
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Rebooking and insurance

Just preparing mentally what my options would be if my flight gets cancelled.
I have a flight booked in First to MEX, used a companion voucher.

Would BA be obliged to rebook me with another carrier even if it is with a stop-over?
AA would be an option with a BA codeshare.

I assume travel insurance would be no help in this case, as I would get what I paid for the flight back.

Thanks!
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Old Mar 24, 2023, 4:09 pm
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Originally Posted by let_BAegones_be
Would BA be obliged to rebook me with another carrier even if it is with a stop-over?
AA would be an option with a BA codeshare.

I assume travel insurance would be no help in this case, as I would get what I paid for the flight back.

Thanks!
Yes, BA is on the hook to get you where you need to go, regardless of carrier and whether they have an interline agreement or not.

I'm in a similar position, having booked LHR-SCL with avios, a GUF2 and a companion voucher. I won't be taking "no" for an answer.

As for travel insurance, I don't understand what you mean. You should check the exact wording that applies to this scenario. My insurance will pay for rebooking up to 7.5k per person per trip.
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Old Mar 24, 2023, 4:40 pm
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Originally Posted by MASTERNC
Even if flights aren't cancelled, any work disruption there (plus the train strikes around London) will likely keep us in the airport for a 10-hour layover instead of taking a quick tour of the city.
The train strikes, for now, have been suspended.
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Old Mar 24, 2023, 5:48 pm
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I have a BA to AA transfer during the strike period. Do I recall correctly that security for this transfer is at T3?

I guess I still need to monitor BA flight cancellations for potential disruptions?
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Old Mar 24, 2023, 6:07 pm
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Originally Posted by work2fly
I have a BA to AA transfer during the strike period. Do I recall correctly that security for this transfer is at T3?

I guess I still need to monitor BA flight cancellations for potential disruptions?
Hi

Yes, security will be done at t3

Regards

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Old Mar 24, 2023, 8:00 pm
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Originally Posted by The Ginge
The train strikes, for now, have been suspended.
would be a little concerned about trying to get back in the airport but we are flying out of T3, so maybe wed be ok
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