BA165 TLV 777 replaced by A321 Neo

Old Mar 1, 23, 7:21 am
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BA165 TLV 777 replaced by A321 Neo

The scheduled 777 on todayís 165 was replaced with short notice (yesterday I believe) by a 321. The main consequences seem to be CW being replaced by CE and no WT+ cabin.

What compensation would be due to CW ticket holders? Do BA still try and claim that theyíre both Business, so no compensation due?
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Old Mar 1, 23, 7:38 am
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Used to be a cash card at check in - £150 iirc . How would they have crewed this? Looks like it was swapped this morning - could a flight crew run it as a return? I believe Wizzair and Easyjet do but not sure on BAs internal rules
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Old Mar 1, 23, 12:12 pm
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Originally Posted by sammyg901
Used to be a cash card at check in - £150 iirc . How would they have crewed this? Looks like it was swapped this morning - could a flight crew run it as a return? I believe Wizzair and Easyjet do but not sure on BAs internal rules
Legally it can be done as a there and back, although BA have never done it as such, even on Mixed Fleet where it was a nightstop. (Covid aside as that was due to local restrictions). I believe itís right up on the limits of FDP, particularly with the turnaround time of a wide body.
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It used to be done as a there and back by LGW EOG crew.
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I don't know the intricacies of EU261, but if BA sold you a ticket marketed as "Club World" (i.e., it's printed on the receipt) and you end up flying "Club Europe" it would seem to be a decent argument for formal downgrade compensation.
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Old Mar 1, 23, 12:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Can I help you
It used to be done as a there and back by LGW EOG crew.
Every days a school day, thank you 😊

I remember them being done on the A350 during 2020 before the fleet merger, and we had to have a minimum amount of bunk rest due to FDP. Although whether that was legal or industrial rules I canít remember 😊
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when moscow was downgraded in 2020 from CW to CE BA offered a 50% refund of the fare paid - so there is precedent along these lines.
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Old Mar 1, 23, 12:32 pm
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Every days a school day, thank you 😊

I remember them being done on the A350 during 2020 before the fleet merger, and we had to have a minimum amount of bunk rest due to FDP. Although whether that was legal or industrial rules I can’t remember 😊
I’m guessing you are a young thing HCCCrew, 🤭 this was another lifetime ago?
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Originally Posted by ijgordon
I don't know the intricacies of EU261, but if BA sold you a ticket marketed as "Club World" (i.e., it's printed on the receipt) and you end up flying "Club Europe" it would seem to be a decent argument for formal downgrade compensation.
EC261 isn't available as CE and CW are both seen as business class, that the amenities are different doesn't matter under the legislation. That said, BA has usually offered some compensation (and allowed date changes) especially when the aircraft change occurs last minute,
See, for example:
"Downgraded" from Club World to Club Europe
BA Changed equipment from Club world now Club Europe
Aircraft Substitution: Downgraded from Club World to Club Europe
Booked Club World, now domestic A321. LHR-CAI-LHR. What to do?
'Downgrade' from CW to CE to Amman
Downgrade from Club World to Club Europe
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Is this a permanent change?!
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Old Mar 1, 23, 4:43 pm
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Is this a permanent change?!
It looks like it was a late replacement for today only.
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Originally Posted by Can I help you
Iím guessing you are a young thing HCCCrew, 🤭 this was another lifetime ago?
For you youngsters, we used to do night LGW-TLV-LGW in Dan-Air on the B727. It was a bit tough on the eyes landing in the morning.
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Old Mar 1, 23, 11:21 pm
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So how does this work in reverse? I'm in CE and my 321 flight gets swapped to a 787. Do BA send me an email saying the CE seat no longer exists so I can either downgrade to Y or pay extra for the upgraded product in CW.

I guess most of the people who want compo for going CW to CE, would be appalled at the idea of having to pay extra to go the other way.

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Does BA no longer operate the sub fleet of A321s with lay-flat seats up front?
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Old Mar 2, 23, 12:41 am
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So how does this work in reverse? I'm in CE and my 321 flight gets swapped to a 787. Do BA send me an email saying the CE seat no longer exists so I can either downgrade to Y or pay extra for the upgraded product in CW.

I guess most of the people who want compo for going CE to CW, would be appalled at the idea of having to pay extra to go the other way.
The general principle in the airline industry is: whoever chooses to make the change is financially responsible for the consequences. If BA changes equipment that causes me to have an inferior seat, they should have to figure out how to make it up. If they give me a superior seat because of a change (as in your example), I shouldn't have to pay them. On the other hand, if I choose not to fly at the last minute or (for some weird reason) decide to downgrade myself, then they don't owe me anything. Or if I SDC from a 321 to a 777 and there is no CE, I have to pay the difference for CW.
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