Should there be a limit to where BA use NEO?
Jan 8, 2023, 5:29 am
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Should there be a limit to where BA use NEO?
Anyone sitting in the back part of NEO planes will probably know what I mean when I say they are really uncomfortable.
I know that AF will not normally fly their equivalent planes beyond a certain distance (initially they were intended for domestic only but this has now been extended to flights of up to 2hr30 I think.) not sure if lh has any such restriction. I’ve seen the neo flights regularly used to LCA and even saw them used to CAI. I realise it’s a commercial decision but spare a thought for people often spending 6 hours ((once you count boarding and de boarding) in those nasty seats…
I know that AF will not normally fly their equivalent planes beyond a certain distance (initially they were intended for domestic only but this has now been extended to flights of up to 2hr30 I think.) not sure if lh has any such restriction. I’ve seen the neo flights regularly used to LCA and even saw them used to CAI. I realise it’s a commercial decision but spare a thought for people often spending 6 hours ((once you count boarding and de boarding) in those nasty seats…
Jan 8, 2023, 5:58 am
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Unfortunately, the correlation between the 'lightweight and therefore fuel efficient' seats fitted to the most fuel efficient planes and long routes make commercial sense, regardless of passenger experience, especially on routes where the competition (EZY / FR) have those seats throughout the whole cabin so I'd expect to see the NEOs deployed on the longer routes as a matter of priority.
At least with BA you have the chance to 'escape' into what we would consider 'normal' seats via CE / status / outright paying for seats.
The race to the bottom continues....
CB
At least with BA you have the chance to 'escape' into what we would consider 'normal' seats via CE / status / outright paying for seats.
The race to the bottom continues....
CB
Jan 8, 2023, 6:12 am
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Most people sitting down the back are price driven on short haul, so the cheaper that BA can make those seats being fuel efficient, the cheaper they can commercially sell those seats for.
if you don't want to be sat in those seats, if you have status you can select seats further forward, or if not pay for one. Alternatively pay for J.
if you don't want to be sat in those seats, if you have status you can select seats further forward, or if not pay for one. Alternatively pay for J.
Jan 8, 2023, 7:01 am
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Most people sitting down the back are price driven on short haul, so the cheaper that BA can make those seats being fuel efficient, the cheaper they can commercially sell those seats for.
if you don't want to be sat in those seats, if you have status you can select seats further forward, or if not pay for one. Alternatively pay for J.
if you don't want to be sat in those seats, if you have status you can select seats further forward, or if not pay for one. Alternatively pay for J.
The neo seats are terrible with most airlines and you cannot really do more than 2,3 hours max at the back unless you are under 1,70cm.
Last edited by Prospero; Jan 8, 2023 at 11:42 am Reason: Remove inflammatory remark
Jan 8, 2023, 7:20 am
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I am not sure how terrible they are - I personally haven’t sat on them but have heard varying opinions from those that have - but unfortunately ba does have to compete.
Jan 8, 2023, 7:21 am
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Not sure how accurate this is. Have you flown recently on a neo beyond the emergency exits? The seats are terrible and we are talking for about half of the plane seats?
The neo seats are terrible with most airlines and you cannot really do more than 2,3 hours max at the back unless you are under 1,70cm.
The neo seats are terrible with most airlines and you cannot really do more than 2,3 hours max at the back unless you are under 1,70cm.
To guarantee seats in the front half of the plane (without knowing where the divider will be placed), where seats are more comfortable, seats recline and the legroom a tad more generous you need to consider Club. Alternatively you need to fly another airline where they take customer comfort in Economy more seriously than BA take it.
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Jan 8, 2023, 7:40 am
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By emergency exit seats, do you mean those around row 10/11 or those at row 23/24?
Jan 8, 2023, 7:49 am
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Sorry for being thick, but are there two types of seats on the NEOs? Some which are less comfortable than others with the less comfortable ones being down the back and more comfortable nearer the front? And we don’t know where the dividing line is between the two?
Jan 8, 2023, 7:53 am
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I believe this means that the maximum size of the CE cabin is 14 rows.
On the A320 Neo the non-reclining seats start from row 13.
I too have never travelled in these seats- am I correct in thinking that they don't have adjustable headrests?
Are there other aspects that make them particularly uncomfortable?
Are they worse than the FR seats?
Jan 8, 2023, 8:02 am
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Yes, the cover fabric is - which is very thin in both cases - is the only difference with easyJet's new seating, and few people would notice that, as kind of evidenced by the cagey responses upthread. There are also threads saying Pinnacle is more uncomfortable than easyJet.
Jan 8, 2023, 8:10 am
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I had this displeasure of 34A on an A321neo yesterday - very last minute booking (thankfully only to GVA), and it was the only window or aisle available. They are without a doubt the most uncomfortable seats I've sat on on an aircraft.
Compare to 11A on an A320neo. This is admittedly an exit row so don't get too distracted by the seat pitch - the padding on all aspects of the seat is the key comparison point here, as well as the eye-level iPad / literature holder and adjustable headrest.
Compare to 11A on an A320neo. This is admittedly an exit row so don't get too distracted by the seat pitch - the padding on all aspects of the seat is the key comparison point here, as well as the eye-level iPad / literature holder and adjustable headrest.
Jan 8, 2023, 8:15 am
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Presumably this discrepancy will be solved when BA move all their seating to the A321 standard in the medium term. It makes me think of the old 2x2 CE seats from earlier on in my career - I can’t even fully picture them any more.
Jan 8, 2023, 8:46 am
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aren’t they the same as the new Easyjet seats which are throughout the aircraft? How do passengers on Easyjet cope?
I am not sure how terrible they are - I personally haven’t sat on them but have heard varying opinions from those that have - but unfortunately ba does have to compete.
I am not sure how terrible they are - I personally haven’t sat on them but have heard varying opinions from those that have - but unfortunately ba does have to compete.
Jan 8, 2023, 8:54 am
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Anyone sitting in the back part of NEO planes will probably know what I mean when I say they are really uncomfortable.
I know that AF will not normally fly their equivalent planes beyond a certain distance (initially they were intended for domestic only but this has now been extended to flights of up to 2hr30 I think.) not sure if lh has any such restriction. I’ve seen the neo flights regularly used to LCA and even saw them used to CAI. I realise it’s a commercial decision but spare a thought for people often spending 6 hours ((once you count boarding and de boarding) in those nasty seats…
I know that AF will not normally fly their equivalent planes beyond a certain distance (initially they were intended for domestic only but this has now been extended to flights of up to 2hr30 I think.) not sure if lh has any such restriction. I’ve seen the neo flights regularly used to LCA and even saw them used to CAI. I realise it’s a commercial decision but spare a thought for people often spending 6 hours ((once you count boarding and de boarding) in those nasty seats…
No one is forcing anyone to fly BA. If one doesn't fancy BA to CAI, well then there's Egyptair, or countless options with a transfer; out of London there's usually another player, if not two or more, for most routes. If BA doesn't give you what you need/want, then look elsewhere it's what I'd say.