A350 forward loo being blocked off by crew.
Nov 22, 2022, 7:29 am
#31
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Genuine question, who comes up with these ideas/layouts? is it an option offered by Airbus or are the layouts generally bespoke to whatever an airline wants within given parameters? If it's an airline choice, surely heads would roll given the mess it has created as noted above (not actually requesting anyone loses their job here, in my role as armchair CEO I leave that to the armchair HR department and the sofa board members 
). I assume there is a committee of sorts at BA that signs off on this? with the obvious caveat of the bean counters discression. I'm sure it is a complicated process way beyond what I could comprehend. Would they even consider changing the layout/galleys etc?
). I assume there is a committee of sorts at BA that signs off on this? with the obvious caveat of the bean counters discression. I'm sure it is a complicated process way beyond what I could comprehend. Would they even consider changing the layout/galleys etc?
Nov 22, 2022, 7:44 am
#32
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If possible I will actively avoid the A350 (see my other thread on it)
Nov 22, 2022, 7:47 am
#33
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Genuine question, who comes up with these ideas/layouts? is it an option offered by Airbus or are the layouts generally bespoke to whatever an airline wants within given parameters? If it's an airline choice, surely heads would roll given the mess it has created as noted above (not actually requesting anyone loses their job here, in my role as armchair CEO I leave that to the armchair HR department and the sofa board members ). I assume there is a committee of sorts at BA that signs off on this? with the obvious caveat of the bean counters discression. I'm sure it is a complicated process way beyond what I could comprehend. Would they even consider changing the layout/galleys etc?
). I assume there is a committee of sorts at BA that signs off on this? with the obvious caveat of the bean counters discression. I'm sure it is a complicated process way beyond what I could comprehend. Would they even consider changing the layout/galleys etc?Likewise for 78-10 where the space for crew bunks is there but BA opted not to install it meaning that a number of routes which the 78-10 was planned on cannot operate those routes now due to crew running out of hours with shortest of delays (e.g. SEA)
It's not a recent thing- similar issues when 777 were introduced and later had to retrofit bunks.
So yes, the layouts are probably that of manufacturers, but airline can choose to modify for extra costs. Just like buying a car. Don't think BA opted for modifications.
Last edited by hydro001; Nov 22, 2022 at 7:53 am
Nov 22, 2022, 8:06 am
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We've not been allowed to use that term for a while now and I even had the title of one of my threads renamed 
Physical BAEC Bronze cards and bag tags eliminated
Physical BAEC Bronze cards and bag tags eliminated
Nov 22, 2022, 8:35 am
#36
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In reality, the primary meal trays were adjusted from 1/2 size trays to 1/3 size trays, meaning they now take up less space (although the trays may be a little cramped now). There were also reconfigurations of galley layouts.
Nov 22, 2022, 9:12 am
#37
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You compare every single A35K galley layout out there and the answer is clear.
BA = 2 galleys + 1 barely functional “galley” (aka Club Kitchen)
CX, EY, = 3 full galleys
VS = 2 full galleys + 1 small galley behind the Booth
QR = 4x full galleys
Frenchbee (lcc), Air Caraibes = 3 full galleys
BA = 2 galleys + 1 barely functional “galley” (aka Club Kitchen)
CX, EY, = 3 full galleys
VS = 2 full galleys + 1 small galley behind the Booth
QR = 4x full galleys
Frenchbee (lcc), Air Caraibes = 3 full galleys
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Nov 22, 2022, 9:48 am
#38
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I also am a bit peeved that BA never seem to have individual air nozzles fitted on their wide body planes, including the A350. I had to ask for the cabin temperature to be turned down because I couldn’t sleep lying in my T-shirt and shorts on top of the “duvet” as it was so warm. I’d rather not try and change the temperature for everyone, but I think it’s reasonable to expect to be able to sleep when that’s the main reason I’ve paid for business class on a night flight.
Nov 22, 2022, 9:52 am
#39
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https://www.airbus.com/sites/g/files...0-900-1000.pdf
the standard config has 4 galleys actually (only QR seem to have sticked to this, others have opted to remove one or more galleys).
Nov 22, 2022, 10:44 am
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I also am a bit peeved that BA never seem to have individual air nozzles fitted on their wide body planes, including the A350. I had to ask for the cabin temperature to be turned down because I couldn’t sleep lying in my T-shirt and shorts on top of the “duvet” as it was so warm. I’d rather not try and change the temperature for everyone, but I think it’s reasonable to expect to be able to sleep when that’s the main reason I’ve paid for business class on a night flight.
Nov 23, 2022, 5:25 pm
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I assume the same person signed off the A380 layout at 5:28 on a Friday afternoon.
Emirates have a great product. A bar, seating area. It amazing. BAs answer - just stick on the same old seats and a toilet so large it would not be out of place in most houses. Good - can I go home for the weekend now.
I was on a 777 from Sydney. The middle Galley now has to run by hand meals for the club cabins. I went to the WC during service. it was chaos. One member of staff was sitting on the floor surrounded by "stuff" and there was no way to cross to the other side.
Who on earth designs these things ?
Emirates have a great product. A bar, seating area. It amazing. BAs answer - just stick on the same old seats and a toilet so large it would not be out of place in most houses. Good - can I go home for the weekend now.
I was on a 777 from Sydney. The middle Galley now has to run by hand meals for the club cabins. I went to the WC during service. it was chaos. One member of staff was sitting on the floor surrounded by "stuff" and there was no way to cross to the other side.
Who on earth designs these things ?
Nov 23, 2022, 5:42 pm
#42
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Ahem, what i actually said was I found it a 'bit tacky' not 'very tacky', so my fellow Ambassador...............get your facts right
The BA A380s are/were a real missed opportunity, apparently just as the A350s are (though I’m yet to fly on one)…
Nov 23, 2022, 6:00 pm
#43
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Going back to this thread and the toilet (and galley issues) it's been quite an interesting read especially from BA crew and more thought should have been given to them.
Likewise I have yet to fly on an A350 so the jury is out for me meantime.
Nov 23, 2022, 6:25 pm
#44
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I agree.....call me a snob but a bar would be a step too far down the ladder. If anything, surely a tearoom would be more fitting to the BA brand? I can just see Pucci Galore with her apron and lace hat on serving cucumber sarnies and crumpet.
Nov 24, 2022, 12:16 am
#45
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I think BA opted for the manufacturer layout which means no modifications equalling less cost.
Likewise for 78-10 where the space for crew bunks is there but BA opted not to install it meaning that a number of routes which the 78-10 was planned on cannot operate those routes now due to crew running out of hours with shortest of delays (e.g. SEA)
It's not a recent thing- similar issues when 777 were introduced and later had to retrofit bunks.
So yes, the layouts are probably that of manufacturers, but airline can choose to modify for extra costs. Just like buying a car. Don't think BA opted for modifications.
Likewise for 78-10 where the space for crew bunks is there but BA opted not to install it meaning that a number of routes which the 78-10 was planned on cannot operate those routes now due to crew running out of hours with shortest of delays (e.g. SEA)
It's not a recent thing- similar issues when 777 were introduced and later had to retrofit bunks.
So yes, the layouts are probably that of manufacturers, but airline can choose to modify for extra costs. Just like buying a car. Don't think BA opted for modifications.