navylad

if you were taking an extra pair of shoes, not wearing them on the flight then absolutely this should in my opinion count within your hand baggage allowance.. There is indeed a list of things that can�t be packed within your carry on baggage, not being on that list doesn�t mean you can carry those items in addition to your carry on allowance.

I made a point about baggage allowance since I know of many people who carry a carrier in their coat, and place coat inside the carrier bag and put it under the seat on front, personally I consider that reasonable behaviour, as I would having it in your lap or hung on the coat hook.

Pedantry only really forms the basis of an argument if the rules were specific, they are not so in reality you are not being pedantic, you are just making up rules and assumptions. Personally, when I give advice to others, I try to state what the rules actually state and then also what happens in practice. You are of course free to criticise that approach as you have done, but it is an approach that I will continue to do

volar

You can patronise me all you like but I'm not making up any rules and I actually provided the link to the published hand baggage rules which are very specific. In practice, people wear coats in the winter and take them off once onboard, but they continue to be allowed their two cabin bags - that is the only point I was attempting to make. I agree with everyone else that guidance shouldn't be needed on where to sensibly store a coat!

orbitmic

i don’t think I’m a particularly interesting thread topic but can confirm my total number of flights is four figures the first of which is not a one. I think a lot of other regulars n this forum are the same though perhaps mine are much more spread across a lot of different airlines than for most. A lot of us around these pastures also had a much (as in more than twice) higher rhythm than the number you mention pre-Covid (since Covid, obviously, it has gone down), so we needn’t even be too old …

Fatdickie

Surely PUCCI's hairbrush?

IAMORGAN

As someone who tries to travel �hands free�, ie without hand luggage. I tend to wear an overcoat in the winter and these days I will roll it up in the terminal & place in my checked luggage (on top) - perhaps with a bit of plastic (ie drycleaning bag or similar) to prevent minor spillages / rain etc from seeping through.

This is another reason why I pay extra for Club Europe as, sadly, I often also have a jacket too & pre pandemic 90% of time it would be hung in the wardrobe. I tend to ask the crew if not offered (if in Club). Sadly, another thing that seems to be getting rarer is wardrobe space but cabin crew are ever resourceful & if approached politely, as a request, with a smile and a please, most crew will find somewhere to hang a jacket or coat. After all, a constant challenge for them must be how to �keep up appearances!� during a long duty especially if lots of there / backs etc.

I don�t like using coat hook as I find with limited space, it�s more clutter & another thing for me to aim red wine / masala sauce at!

navylad

I haven�t intended in any way to be patronising, I was just highlighting that you have stated that the rules allow for coats when you own link doesn�t support that rule and I�ve just shared a different opinion that they aren�t included in the states baggage allowance but pragmatically people do wear coats and remove them onboard and indeed have coat hooks for that purpose. It is a different opinion as to whether they are actually allowed within the stated rules or not, apologies if you perceived that to be patronising.

Geordie405

Over the last 12 months I've "only" taken about 75 flights. Maybe five of those were for business. Everything else was leisure. When I lived in Belgium I did significantly more travelling but a lot of that was Eurostar / ICE / Thalys - but if I had flown for all my European trips it would have been multiple hundreds per year. A lot of my friends are flabbergasted when they hear how much flying I do, but it's a mere fraction of what some of the posters on here achieve every year. I am, literally, a part-time flyer!

IAMORGAN

I agree. I also think it�s easier said than done if you�re in say a window to place the coat on top once everyones bags are on. What are you supposed to do? Ask person in aisle & middle to let you out so you can put your coat or jacket on top but only once you hear �boarding complete�? Just don�t complain / shout at fellow passenger (which I�ve seen done) when they board & pick up the coat to enable them to place their bag in & pop the random coat on top! Nicer than just plonking bag on coat (also seen that). People wear coats.

It�s a shared space & thankfully yhe vast majority manage it - ie I might put my jacket on top of somebody else�s bag in a half full locker to save getting up again & keep other space free. I�d be quite offended if I was told to take it down, especially if I had no hand luggage.

And they used to be called �hatracks�