Wot no T,F&Cs?!

Old Nov 7, 22, 10:02 am
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Wot no T,F&Cs?!

A friend just redeemed Avios & Vouchers from LHR getting WT returns to Tokyo for £200 & Grenada for £150.

I always assumed Taxes, Fees & Charges were higher than this for both destinations, even in WT!

What's going on please?!
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Old Nov 7, 22, 10:08 am
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Originally Posted by clansey1973 View Post
A friend just redeemed Avios & Vouchers from LHR getting WT returns to Tokyo for £200 & Grenada for £150.

I always assumed Taxes, Fees & Charges were higher than this for both destinations, even in WT!

What's going on please?!
Maybe your friend could provide details of how this was achieved and then we could comment? If they were cash tickets, they may involve Avios part-pay, eVouchers, etc.
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Old Nov 7, 22, 10:11 am
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You can choose to pay more cash to reduce the avios required. LHR-TYO return in WT for off peak date gives the following:

70000 Avios + £ 200.00
55000 Avios + £ 290.00
39000 Avios + £ 360.00
29000 Avios + £ 440.00
15600 Avios + £ 530.00
13700 Avios + £ 550.00
Actual TFC would be about £380 and standard avios would be 19500 each way, so the bolded line is the standard level. If you think it is good value you can pay 70k avios rather than 39k to take the cash down from £360 to £200.
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Old Nov 7, 22, 10:13 am
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Most of the US covered under this - it's the longhaul version of the RFS
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Old Nov 7, 22, 10:17 am
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But OP makes reference to using vouchers as well and I didn't think vouchers (presumably eVouchers) could be redeemed against Avios bookings.
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Old Nov 7, 22, 10:24 am
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No idea. 241s? I guess some more detail may be of use.
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Old Nov 8, 22, 3:42 am
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Originally Posted by KARFA View Post
You can choose to pay more cash to reduce the avios required. LHR-TYO return in WT for off peak date gives the following:



Actual TFC would be about £380 and standard avios would be 19500 each way, so the bolded line is the standard level. If you think it is good value you can pay 70k avios rather than 39k to take the cash down from £360 to £200.
The Voucher was AX 241. I wasn't aware that Avios covered airfare costs beyond Base Fare. i.e. I always thought the Avios were paying the base fare only and TF&C would need to be paid however many Avios were used!
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Originally Posted by clansey1973 View Post
The Voucher was AX 241. I wasn't aware that Avios covered airfare costs beyond Base Fare. i.e. I always thought the Avios were paying the base fare only and TF&C would need to be paid however many Avios were used!
I am not sure when it changed, but now for certain LH (or all, I am not sure) it's 50 GBP and 25,000 e/w for economy. It actually makes utilising Avios in economy worthwhile. I did this recently getting a DXB-ABZ return, I was 50,000 Avios + 100 GBP for flights that would have been 1,250ish GBP if paid for in cash. 1,150 GBP value for 50,000 Avios is pretty good in my opinion. I am sure I have had better in the past with using 241 voucher in business or first, but this is a massive enhancement for being able to use my Avios balance.
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Originally Posted by jamesreid978 View Post
I am not sure when it changed, but now for certain LH (or all, I am not sure) it's 50 GBP and 25,000 e/w for economy. It actually makes utilising Avios in economy worthwhile. I did this recently getting a DXB-ABZ return, I was 50,000 Avios + 100 GBP for flights that would have been 1,250ish GBP if paid for in cash. 1,150 GBP value for 50,000 Avios is pretty good in my opinion. I am sure I have had better in the past with using 241 voucher in business or first, but this is a massive enhancement for being able to use my Avios balance.
I started a thread on this a couple of days ago as I had not come across it before.

Book without using a -2-4-1 and the Avios are 35,000 + a flat fee £75, but use a voucher and the Avios reduces to 25,000 but the fees are considerably more.
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Old Nov 8, 22, 11:26 am
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But OP makes reference to using vouchers as well and I didn't think vouchers (presumably eVouchers) could be redeemed against Avios bookings.
no they cant
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Old Nov 8, 22, 11:27 am
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Originally Posted by wb1969 View Post
I started a thread on this a couple of days ago as I had not come across it before.

Book without using a -2-4-1 and the Avios are 35,000 + a flat fee £75, but use a voucher and the Avios reduces to 25,000 but the fees are considerably more.
lots of talk about this on the CV thread.
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