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Club World dining - restoration of full menu - 28 October 2022
#31
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Actually I think that the majority of British people really like tons of sugar and carbohydrates. You may not, but that does not dictate the tastes of the many. You could make the same argument about breakfast - how many people eat a cooked breakfast daily ? Yet when it’s on offer they can’t get enough. Try taking that off and see how far that gets you.
From that point of view, breakfast is a case in point - again, nobody is asking that cooked breakfast (sorry, can't bring myself to call it "full English" because when I fancy it, I precisely fancy the real thing and not a solitary sausage with no bacon!) be discontinued, but BA has always offered an alternative such as a cold cuts plate and/or an alternative hot dish or both when English breakfast is offered, be it in CE or CW or F. I see plenty of people around me who get the English breakfast, and more often than not I don't and they and I are happy and coexist with our respective preferences! We are only humbly asking for a return to a similar choice for afternoon tea, not to guillotine that monument of the Victorian Age which any fan can still undoubtedly enjoy, but just the return of a lighter/healthier alternative.
And before anyone tells me that there is no point because almost everyone prefers afternoon tea, that's simply not true in my experience and the salad/tapas plate option was always the one to run out with the occasional "sorry, we only have the sandwiches left" a frequent announcement by the time the end of the cabin was reached whilst "sorry, we only have the tapas plate left" is not something I ever heard personally in dozens of flights.
Whilst I am actually totally agnostic to what alternative could be offered to afternoon tea (tapas plate, salad, cold cuts, pretty much anything non-bready I guess), most unusually, I actually disagree with you on that. I think that nothing is more quintessentially British than embracing and popularising foreign food. In fact, British culinary tradition has been all about bringing back, adopting, and often "customising" foreign food traditions for much longer than it has been about cooked breakfasts or afternoon tea (which is very 19th century anyway).
For as long as British cookbooks have existed (and whilst I am no specialist, I have been lucky to see some dating back to the 15th and 16th centuries) that trend has been absolutely striking. Of course, the Victorian Age which popularised afternoon tea represented a further boost to that tradition (not only with colonial imports but also with a boost to Italian, Turkish, and Chinese influences to what were predominantly French ones before) as has been the 20th century (Britain became fan of hummus, tarama, Thai curry, and Korean dogs well before any other Western country followed the trend, including the US where those options were often long enjoyed by migrants from specific origin only well before they were popularised with the rest of the population).
So to me, having a "foreign" option is precisely as (or conceivably more) quintessentially British as having afternoon tea or cooked breakfast is. It fully embraces the way British people have conceived their relationship to food for generations, illustrated their "travelling spirit" on home cookbooks and later restaurant menus and supermarket aisles, and brought back recipes from their trips abroad. It is, in many ways, British identity at its finest.
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You don't happen to have the menu for BA123 by any chance please corporate-wage-slave ?
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I think this is actually the point. Not everyone wants a treat. Fine to have it as an option - there should be an option (and not just two sandwich flavors). But as someone who travels constantly and is generally entertaining clients at the other end, I’m not really in the mood to have treats while traveling especially at the end of a flight. That’s not where I want to load up on calories. Honestly, this gets at a fundamental issue I have with BA - at times it seems like the focus is premium leisure (people who fly J long haul once or twice a year on holiday) rather than high fare business. Though I still find nothing premium about the J afternoon tea.
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I think this is actually the point. Not everyone wants a treat. Fine to have it as an option - there should be an option (and not just two sandwich flavors). But as someone who travels constantly and is generally entertaining clients at the other end, I’m not really in the mood to have treats while traveling especially at the end of a flight. That’s not where I want to burn calories. Honestly, this gets at a fundamental issue I have with BA - at times it seems like the focus is premium leisure (people who fly J long haul once or twice a year on holiday) rather than high fare business.
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And that's the new normal. You can just see around you that higher value leisure travel is back with a vengeance and business travel in most sectors is still nowhere near what it used to be. It's routes like GRU and ATL which are nothing like as busy as they used to be, whereas NYC, LAX, South Africa are running beyond full now. There is very little on the BA side that can be done about this, it's a much bigger issue than one airline.
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And that's the new normal. You can just see around you that higher value leisure travel is back with a vengeance and business travel in most sectors is still nowhere near what it used to be. It's routes like GRU and ATL which are nothing like as busy as they used to be, whereas NYC, LAX, South Africa are running beyond full now. There is very little on the BA side that can be done about this, it's a much bigger issue than one airline.
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Couldn't agree more but BA has a nostalgic view of cuisine that is deeply ingrained over many years so I would be surprised if it changed overnight. Nonetheless, on CS-guaranteedish routes such as NY and LA I would now book them in J again based on this much better-looking menu, if only for curiosity's sake.
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Couldn't agree more but BA has a nostalgic view of cuisine that is deeply ingrained over many years so I would be surprised if it changed overnight. Nonetheless, on CS-guaranteedish routes such as NY and LA I would now book them in J again based on this much better-looking menu, if only for curiosity's sake.
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Shame they're still going for beef followed by beef, I guess there wasn't much chance of smoked salmon though
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We could argue the merits of bits of the menu for hours and never agree. I’m sick of curries and , looking at the menu, all that veggie vegan salads with sweet potato in one, is enough to put me off for life. Sweet potato has as much place on a British menu as mushy peas chez Les Américains.
i love salad. Like most men, it has to be dressed and my vinaigrette has man-appeal. The sad little sachets of oil and those gloopy American concoctions with not a natural ingredient within them do not cut it for me. I am not a rabbit.
(Terribly OTT. I applied to BCAL and Air France as I was offered a job as a Bunny Croupier chez Playboy. That being over my Mother’s dead body made wanting to be an air hostess less disreputable j
So to conclude sensibly - the menu reads tons better than before and if at least full of ingredients and foods that I do recognise AA seem to be full of things of which I’ve never heard.
i love salad. Like most men, it has to be dressed and my vinaigrette has man-appeal. The sad little sachets of oil and those gloopy American concoctions with not a natural ingredient within them do not cut it for me. I am not a rabbit.
(Terribly OTT. I applied to BCAL and Air France as I was offered a job as a Bunny Croupier chez Playboy. That being over my Mother’s dead body made wanting to be an air hostess less disreputable j
So to conclude sensibly - the menu reads tons better than before and if at least full of ingredients and foods that I do recognise AA seem to be full of things of which I’ve never heard.
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I do agree that premium leisure is up but the high value business traveler is still very much back and still paying much higher fares. My New York flights for example seem just as business traveler heavy as they were in 2019. I have no problem with the trappings being offered. But it doesn’t excuse there lack of lighter and healthier options in the premium cabins. And this is an issue that goes beyond just afternoon tea.
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One reason I've gone with 1A on my flight to Austin next week. I know 1A could be noisy, but it's so close to the crew it will be far easier to get their attention.
Good news though. I'd rather have a slower service and better food than get a CE tray served in one go.
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The a350 service was notoriously slow pre covid, but there is no reason to believe it would be even slower post improvements now.