BA’s Premium Economy soft product losing its competitive edge
#31
formerly rt23456p
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 1,210
Premium Economy is like that confused middle child with different airlines taking different approaches i.e some airlines with little to no differentiation to Y other than the hard product, meals better on some airlines than other, WTP on BA tend to be on the el cheapo side however
in terms of industry benchmark in my opinion Virgin Australia pre-bankruptcy / pandemic on the 77W was definitely the gold standard
- Tablecloths laid out
- Appetiser/Mains/Dessert served separately in courses
- Mains plated on-board
- Dedicated FA
It helps comparing against the gold standard as a wake up call just to realise how cheap BA has gone on their WTP cabin (though this seems to be the general trend lately even with the likes of SQ, CX etc)
one can only dream of soup ever being served in WTP lol
in terms of industry benchmark in my opinion Virgin Australia pre-bankruptcy / pandemic on the 77W was definitely the gold standard
- Tablecloths laid out
- Appetiser/Mains/Dessert served separately in courses
- Mains plated on-board
- Dedicated FA
It helps comparing against the gold standard as a wake up call just to realise how cheap BA has gone on their WTP cabin (though this seems to be the general trend lately even with the likes of SQ, CX etc)
one can only dream of soup ever being served in WTP lol
https://www.thaiairways.com/en_DK/of...e_summer.page?
yes indeed for VA the main disadvantage of having such an elevated catering for Y+ means the gap in catering between Y+ and J was barely noticeable (with the seat being the key differentiator)
I posted on another thread too that EK have gone the elevated path for their Y+ catering as well which looks above par of what is currently on offer by SQ, CX, etc. See pics below.
For SQ/CX you basically get Y catering plated in a slightly nicer container but quality wise not much different than Y which is disappointing
I posted on another thread too that EK have gone the elevated path for their Y+ catering as well which looks above par of what is currently on offer by SQ, CX, etc. See pics below.
For SQ/CX you basically get Y catering plated in a slightly nicer container but quality wise not much different than Y which is disappointing
I'd happily pay £250RT over Y for the width, legroom and no fighting over armrests alone. So news about the A350 being a lot narrower is not what I want to hear!
I'm actually hoping that EKs new offering might prompt a bit of a refresh of the product. Whilst with BA I tend to buy it with a view to UUA, I'd like to be comfortable enough when that doesn't work...
I'm actually hoping that EKs new offering might prompt a bit of a refresh of the product. Whilst with BA I tend to buy it with a view to UUA, I'd like to be comfortable enough when that doesn't work...
American calling themselves the best alcohol onboard, BA calling themselves world's favourite airline. What a laugh of the two!
#32
Join Date: Oct 2019
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Posts: 472
Fair enough. Considering they cancelled two of my connecting flights in the past couple of months it as as much "reliable" as AF on CDG. It is actually even worse because the reason for cancellation is usually their rubbish IT system (if we leave out the madness during this particular summer).
#33
Join Date: Oct 2019
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I mean sure it is not like with EK when you have onboard bar or the cocktails in the QR, but the drinks selection (alcoholic/non-alcoholic) onboard AA is pretty good IMHO or at least I wasn't missing anything (except not mean and/or arrogant steward, but that is something you count with when flying with AA).
#34
formerly rt23456p
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 1,210
I mean sure it is not like with EK when you have onboard bar or the cocktails in the QR, but the drinks selection (alcoholic/non-alcoholic) onboard AA is pretty good IMHO or at least I wasn't missing anything (except not mean and/or arrogant steward, but that is something you count with when flying with AA).
#35
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Spitalfields, London
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If this is the case why does Iberia have better lounges, all-aisle access J and massively better food, it’s all part of the same company which has been cruelly forced into a failing strategy by over-entitled ‘cake and eat it’ customers?
#36
Join Date: Jul 2009
Programs: BAEC Silver, IHG Diamond
Posts: 7,769
I just treat BA PE as a bigger seat that gives me a greater number of tier points over economy., and an Avios bonus
Expect nothing (spectacular) food wise, crew wise (but that goes for all cabins), and practically zero change of an upgrade (which is a reason why some do choose it).
If the price isn't too much of a premium, then it works
Expect nothing (spectacular) food wise, crew wise (but that goes for all cabins), and practically zero change of an upgrade (which is a reason why some do choose it).
If the price isn't too much of a premium, then it works
#37
Join Date: Aug 2007
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yes indeed for VA the main disadvantage of having such an elevated catering for Y+ means the gap in catering between Y+ and J was barely noticeable (with the seat being the key differentiator)
I posted on another thread too that EK have gone the elevated path for their Y+ catering as well which looks above par of what is currently on offer by SQ, CX, etc. See pics below.
For SQ/CX you basically get Y catering plated in a slightly nicer container but quality wise not much different than Y which is disappointing
I posted on another thread too that EK have gone the elevated path for their Y+ catering as well which looks above par of what is currently on offer by SQ, CX, etc. See pics below.
For SQ/CX you basically get Y catering plated in a slightly nicer container but quality wise not much different than Y which is disappointing
#38
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: London, ARN, HEL, ..... or MAN
Programs: BA GGL / GFL, Mucci Diamond!, HH Diamond, Radisson Premium, IHG Gold, Hertz Gold
Posts: 5,895
I just treat BA PE as a bigger seat that gives me a greater number of tier points over economy., and an Avios bonus
Expect nothing (spectacular) food wise, crew wise (but that goes for all cabins), and practically zero change of an upgrade (which is a reason why some do choose it).
If the price isn't too much of a premium, then it works
Expect nothing (spectacular) food wise, crew wise (but that goes for all cabins), and practically zero change of an upgrade (which is a reason why some do choose it).
If the price isn't too much of a premium, then it works
#39
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 1,394
yes indeed for VA the main disadvantage of having such an elevated catering for Y+ means the gap in catering between Y+ and J was barely noticeable (with the seat being the key differentiator)
I posted on another thread too that EK have gone the elevated path for their Y+ catering as well which looks above par of what is currently on offer by SQ, CX, etc. See pics below.
For SQ/CX you basically get Y catering plated in a slightly nicer container but quality wise not much different than Y which is disappointing
I posted on another thread too that EK have gone the elevated path for their Y+ catering as well which looks above par of what is currently on offer by SQ, CX, etc. See pics below.
For SQ/CX you basically get Y catering plated in a slightly nicer container but quality wise not much different than Y which is disappointing
#40
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: New York
Posts: 7,347
Other than the packaged cheeses, the main meal on Emirates' premium economy is even better than the current Club World offering on BA's transatlantic flight. That appetizer salad looks better in both quality and quantity.
yes indeed for VA the main disadvantage of having such an elevated catering for Y+ means the gap in catering between Y+ and J was barely noticeable (with the seat being the key differentiator)
I posted on another thread too that EK have gone the elevated path for their Y+ catering as well which looks above par of what is currently on offer by SQ, CX, etc. See pics below.
For SQ/CX you basically get Y catering plated in a slightly nicer container but quality wise not much different than Y which is disappointing
I posted on another thread too that EK have gone the elevated path for their Y+ catering as well which looks above par of what is currently on offer by SQ, CX, etc. See pics below.
For SQ/CX you basically get Y catering plated in a slightly nicer container but quality wise not much different than Y which is disappointing
#41
Join Date: Dec 2019
Programs: BA Silver
Posts: 572
Flew in WTP to MCO from LHR and back a few weeks ago.
It was a 4 Class 777 and we had the "Front Row" of WTP to ourselves so no one reclines on you and there was loads of legroom and width as we had four seats to stretch out over.
Looking through the curtain to Club they were lined up like sardines in a tin with minimal extra room for the premium paid..
Even the Exit Seats in WT looked a better bet - acres of legroom even more than us in WTP
It was a 4 Class 777 and we had the "Front Row" of WTP to ourselves so no one reclines on you and there was loads of legroom and width as we had four seats to stretch out over.
Looking through the curtain to Club they were lined up like sardines in a tin with minimal extra room for the premium paid..
Even the Exit Seats in WT looked a better bet - acres of legroom even more than us in WTP
#42
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Yorkshire
Programs: BAEC
Posts: 355
Flew in WTP to MCO from LHR and back a few weeks ago.
It was a 4 Class 777 and we had the "Front Row" of WTP to ourselves so no one reclines on you and there was loads of legroom and width as we had four seats to stretch out over.
Looking through the curtain to Club they were lined up like sardines in a tin with minimal extra room for the premium paid..
Even the Exit Seats in WT looked a better bet - acres of legroom even more than us in WTP
It was a 4 Class 777 and we had the "Front Row" of WTP to ourselves so no one reclines on you and there was loads of legroom and width as we had four seats to stretch out over.
Looking through the curtain to Club they were lined up like sardines in a tin with minimal extra room for the premium paid..
Even the Exit Seats in WT looked a better bet - acres of legroom even more than us in WTP
#43
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Vancouver
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Posts: 1,147
I just treat BA PE as a bigger seat that gives me a greater number of tier points over economy., and an Avios bonus
Expect nothing (spectacular) food wise, crew wise (but that goes for all cabins), and practically zero change of an upgrade (which is a reason why some do choose it).
If the price isn't too much of a premium, then it works
Expect nothing (spectacular) food wise, crew wise (but that goes for all cabins), and practically zero change of an upgrade (which is a reason why some do choose it).
If the price isn't too much of a premium, then it works
On the return my wife and daughter and myself and my other kids on different booking references because we flew separately but returning together in economy...I had to change plans at the last moment...rest of the family flew and I suppose based on my silver status, the boys were upgraded to WT+ on one of the legs, even without me..perhaps that was a timing thing as I expected that the be changed because I was not flying.
Upgrade to business from WT+ is a lovely surprised...short story is...I have never myself been upgraded...perhaps my time is coming.
#44
Join Date: Apr 2015
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Posts: 2,556
Certainly expect nothing - low expectations rearely brings disappointment (!) - but reagrding upgrades, I've probably had more WT+ to CW than WT to WT+ (one memorable month when I had 3 consecutive WT+ to CW upgrades - with a ET-CE upgrade inbetween).
#45
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Flew in WTP to MCO from LHR and back a few weeks ago.
It was a 4 Class 777 and we had the "Front Row" of WTP to ourselves so no one reclines on you and there was loads of legroom and width as we had four seats to stretch out over.
Looking through the curtain to Club they were lined up like sardines in a tin with minimal extra room for the premium paid..
Even the Exit Seats in WT looked a better bet - acres of legroom even more than us in WTP
It was a 4 Class 777 and we had the "Front Row" of WTP to ourselves so no one reclines on you and there was loads of legroom and width as we had four seats to stretch out over.
Looking through the curtain to Club they were lined up like sardines in a tin with minimal extra room for the premium paid..
Even the Exit Seats in WT looked a better bet - acres of legroom even more than us in WTP