LIS - missed flight ?
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LIS - missed flight ?
My friend and his family just missed their BA flight from LIS due to long lines at passport control. They were booked to connect at LHR (all on one ticket) to JER.
The ground staff won’t do anything and when they call BA they say they need to book a new ticket.
Is this the case or could the flat tyre rule apply?
It was an Avios rewards ticket and the agent in the call centre told them since there’s no Avios availability there’s nothing they can do. I’m not even sure they can book a new ticket with the ban on new ticket sales from LHR (for the connecting flight to JER).
they were at the airport in good time and checked luggage.
i have personal experience of the contracted GroundForce staff being very unhelpful at LIS in the past.
How would FT recommend they proceed ?
thanks in advance
The ground staff won’t do anything and when they call BA they say they need to book a new ticket.
Is this the case or could the flat tyre rule apply?
It was an Avios rewards ticket and the agent in the call centre told them since there’s no Avios availability there’s nothing they can do. I’m not even sure they can book a new ticket with the ban on new ticket sales from LHR (for the connecting flight to JER).
they were at the airport in good time and checked luggage.
i have personal experience of the contracted GroundForce staff being very unhelpful at LIS in the past.
How would FT recommend they proceed ?
thanks in advance
Last edited by mmogdan; Aug 9, 2022 at 4:53 am
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The flat tyre rule is generally used for events outside of the person's control and has to be communicated to BA before check-in. Harsh as it may seem, given the state of travel at the moment, not leaving enough time to get through passport control would not generally count as "outside of the person's control". We last used it when our cabbie took an incredibly circuitous route to the airport before breaking down on one of the bridges.
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There are e-gates for UK passport holders, but I'm guessing a child was involved. If they were the only passengers caught by this then it gets very difficult to argue with BA. GroundForce have a habit of closing the gate before the advertised 20 minutes so if they were there before then they have a stronger argument. If it happens again, best to send one adult through the e-gates to plead with the gate staff to hold on for a bit. Otherwise it is the responsibility of passengers to be at the gate in time, no getting around that.
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There are e-gates for UK passport holders, but I'm guessing a child was involved. If they were the only passengers caught by this then it gets very difficult to argue with BA. GroundForce have a habit of closing the gate before the advertised 20 minutes so if they were there before then they have a stronger argument. If it happens again, best to send one adult through the e-gates to plead with the gate staff to hold on for a bit. Otherwise it is the responsibility of passengers to be at the gate in time, no getting around that.
I’ve recommended they keep the old ticket live (instead of FTV) and hope that someone at LHR can change the JER segment of the old ticket to the BA1366
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Presumably once they have boarded everyone and are missing passengers at 20 mins they have to notify the Captain and it's still up to him or her whether to accept? I assume the Captain has to instruct the baggage offloading, and it's not something automatic?
Frustrating for the OP, but agree with the other posters- sounds like an insurance job.
Frustrating for the OP, but agree with the other posters- sounds like an insurance job.
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I don't think gate staff seek approval from the captain or crew. In case of no-show at the gate, the pax in question (and any checked bags) are unloaded and the flight is closed/ready to depart.
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But if they checked bags, surely that says they were on time for the flight? Would their name have been called at security for expediting? Seems a bit harsh on OP to say, “your fault, got to insurance if you have any”?
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I don't perceive anyone as being "harsh on OP" (not to mention this didn't actually happen to the OP since they are posting on behalf of someone else) but rather some pretty experienced contributors explaining how the system works. Nobody said it's a fair system, but it is what it is...
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I warned the family several times over the past few days (having had a few close calls in LIS myself over the past year) so my understanding is they arrived with plenty of time. They were caught out with a very long immigration line to exit Portugal and couldn’t use the eGates since they have an under 12.
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I warned the family several times over the past few days (having had a few close calls in LIS myself over the past year) so my understanding is they arrived with plenty of time. They were caught out with a very long immigration line to exit Portugal and couldn’t use the eGates since they have an under 12.
But just so we are being intellectually honest here, you say they "arrived with plenty of time" but if they in fact missed their flight and others did not, well then technically, they did not in fact arrive with plenty of time. Anybody paying even a casual amount of attention to the news, etc. should be aware that travel in Europe can go painfully wrong no matter ones intentions.
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To be clear, I'm not saying your friends are at fault. Just clarifying that I don't think posters are trying to be harsh in their responses to you (or indirectly your friends).
But just so we are being intellectually honest here, you say they "arrived with plenty of time" but if they in fact missed their flight and others did not, well then technically, they did not in fact arrive with plenty of time. Anybody paying even a casual amount of attention to the news, etc. should be aware that travel in Europe can go painfully wrong no matter ones intentions.
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But just so we are being intellectually honest here, you say they "arrived with plenty of time" but if they in fact missed their flight and others did not, well then technically, they did not in fact arrive with plenty of time. Anybody paying even a casual amount of attention to the news, etc. should be aware that travel in Europe can go painfully wrong no matter ones intentions.
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I was surprised to learn there’s no assistance for this. So I’ll certainly continue allowing extra time in places such as LIS.
Last edited by mmogdan; Mar 2, 2023 at 5:31 pm