BA AMS lounge permanently closed

Old Jun 1, 2023, 1:51 am
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I went to the Cafe Flor mid-May, while it was fairly empty, no tables had been cleared, very few glasses available, and the soft drinks hadn't been topped up, Decided to leave and go and sit at the gate for a more pleasant experience
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Old Jun 1, 2023, 1:53 am
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Sounds like BA and OW have to fix this mess at AMS.
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Old Jun 1, 2023, 2:20 am
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Originally Posted by lsquare
Sounds like BA and OW have to fix this mess at AMS.
I think BA have wiped their hands of it by permanently shutting down their lounge; and I can't see oneworld opening a lounge in AMS.
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Old Jun 1, 2023, 2:28 am
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Originally Posted by irishguy28
I think BA have wiped their hands of it by permanently shutting down their lounge; and I can't see oneworld opening a lounge in AMS.
Why not?
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Old Jun 1, 2023, 2:30 am
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Originally Posted by irishguy28
I think BA have wiped their hands of it by permanently shutting down their lounge; and I can't see oneworld opening a lounge in AMS.
This seems like the most probably outcome - as discussed upthread no other oneworld airlines would have a better business case for a lounge than BA. Am I right in thinking that no oneworld lounges have actually been opened since there was that announcement that they were going to have some in unspecified places? [LAX really being a QF lounge, AIUI].

And closer to the topic of this thread: I see the scuttlebutt about not being finished on time, but did anyone ever know what the timeline for Aspire was in the first place?
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Old Jun 1, 2023, 2:58 am
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Originally Posted by lsquare
Why not?
If BA as the busiest oneworld airline at AMS could no longer see a case for having a lounge, I don't see why the alliance itself - or any of the other members active at AMS in a lesser capacity than BA - would reach the opposite conclusion.
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Old Jun 1, 2023, 3:02 am
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Originally Posted by etiene
did anyone ever know what the timeline for Aspire was in the first place?
It was supposed to be end of June.
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Old Jun 1, 2023, 3:15 am
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Originally Posted by irishguy28
If BA as the busiest oneworld airline at AMS could no longer see a case for having a lounge, I don't see why the alliance itself - or any of the other members active at AMS in a lesser capacity than BA - would reach the opposite conclusion.
This implies that there is not enough premium traffic out of AMS for either BA or other OW airlines (AFAIK this would be AA, AY, IB and QR) for them to join together in some way to operate a lounge. That does not sound right to me. If there is not enough premium traffic maybe BA will just give up and operate Y only flights (like they are already experimenting with the Avios only ones).
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Old Jun 1, 2023, 3:24 am
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This implies that there is not enough premium traffic out of AMS for either BA or other OW airlines (AFAIK this would be AA, AY, IB and QR) for them to join together in some way to operate a lounge. That does not sound right to me.
The numbers are there; it's just that there seems to be a trend towards moving away from offering mediocre downline lounges, when medicore lounges can just as easily be sourced from those that specialise in that field

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If there is not enough premium traffic maybe BA will just give up and operate Y only flights (like they are already experimenting with the Avios only ones).
I guess you're just being facetious, but if lack of a BA/oneworld lounge was a marker for operating Y only flights, I'm wondering why that hasn't happened on any of the other outstations that don't have a BA/oneworld lounge!
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Old Jun 1, 2023, 3:28 am
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Originally Posted by BA or bust
This implies that there is not enough premium traffic out of AMS for either BA or other OW airlines (AFAIK this would be AA, AY, IB and QR) for them to join together in some way to operate a lounge. That does not sound right to me. If there is not enough premium traffic maybe BA will just give up and operate Y only flights (like they are already experimenting with the Avios only ones).
IB and AY are Schengen flights, so likely few customers using the BA lounge. AT, RJ and CX have flights though. Even ignoring those, the number of BA flights certainly seemed like it ought to be able to support a lounge. While Schiphol is generally an airport one can aim to not spend much time in - last summer's sh*tshow aside - the lounge was always pretty busy when I went in there. The initial closure was just covid, and I'm assuming they hit some contract renegotiation in the middle there when it was unclear how long things would go on for - so I do wonder if the picture has changed since. Seems like the "permanently closed" news leaked last summer, but may reflect a decision taken somewhat earlier.

I'm still assuming it's not coming back, and that it'll just be cramming into Aspire from now on - anything more will be a nice surprise.
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Old Jun 1, 2023, 3:30 am
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Originally Posted by irishguy28
The numbers are there; it's just that there seems to be a trend towards moving away from offering mediocre downline lounges, when medicore lounges can just as easily be sourced from those that specialise in that field
It was already operated by Aspire, I think? Not sure how much extra the BA branding cost over bog-standard Aspire entrace fees. Were some of the staff BA employees? Seemed like the front desk might actually be able to help in IRROPs, rather than just being receptionists.
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Old Jun 1, 2023, 3:37 am
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Originally Posted by irishguy28
The numbers are there; it's just that there seems to be a trend towards moving away from offering mediocre downline lounges, when medicore lounges can just as easily be sourced from those that specialise in that field

I guess you're just being facetious, but if lack of a BA/oneworld lounge was a marker for operating Y only flights, I'm wondering why that hasn't happened on any of the other outstations that don't have a BA/oneworld lounge!
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Old Jun 1, 2023, 3:48 am
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This implies that there is not enough premium traffic out of AMS for either BA or other OW airlines (AFAIK this would be AA, AY, IB and QR) for them to join together in some way to operate a lounge. That does not sound right to me. If there is not enough premium traffic maybe BA will just give up and operate Y only flights (like they are already experimenting with the Avios only ones).
AY and IB would be operating within the Schengen area I believe, so a lounge in a non-schengen area would not be of use for IB and AY passengers
AA doesn't fly to AMS iirc
That only would leave QR , CX and BA . QR and CX seem to have 1 flight a day each
For QR and CX, operating their own lounge for 1 flight seems excessive and logical to just pay for a contact lounge to provide service. Whether it is worth BA running a lounge would surely depend on cost of lounge space and opeating cost vs cost per person to a 3rd party.
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Old Jun 1, 2023, 4:02 am
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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
AA doesn't fly to AMS iirc
PHL is year round, with DFW seasonal [summer but not the whole summer schedule, last I looked].

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That only would leave QR , CX and BA . QR and CX seem to have 1 flight a day each
For QR and CX, operating their own lounge for 1 flight seems excessive and logical to just pay for a contact lounge to provide service. Whether it is worth BA running a lounge would surely depend on cost of lounge space and opeating cost vs cost per person to a 3rd party.
As above, that's not all: AT and RJ both operate here - though I think both have just one A320 aircraft per day [with AT serving several destinations less than daily]. QR were running two flights for a bit earlier in the year - I don't know how long that was going to continue for though. IIRC there were two rotations in the Before Times.

Not that I disagree with your conclusions - though as mentioned I think the operation was Aspire anyway, but no idea whether BA paid the lease or just paid some kind of premium over the regular Aspire fee to have a separate space.
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Old Jun 1, 2023, 4:13 am
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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
AY and IB would be operating within the Schengen area I believe, so a lounge in a non-schengen area would not be of use for IB and AY passengers
IB doesn't serve AMS; in their place, it's I2 (Iberia Express) with 2 daily flights, the same frequency that AY has, too. And as you say, they depart from the Schengen zone, so any lounge in the Schengen zone would be next to useless for BA pax.

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AA doesn't fly to AMS iirc
It does; there's a daily PHL flight (which I think was inherited from US Airways) and a seasonal flight to DFW.

The only oneworld airline with frequent flights right throughout the day is BA. I guess CX and QR (in particular) are probably dissatisfied with the lounge situation, but I can't see either of them doing an old-style Etihad and opening their own lounge (not that Etihad ever did that in AMS, but they did kind of go out of their way and spend lots of money installing fancy lounges in rather unexpected places, like DUB, back in the day)
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