30 Jun 22: 30 flights cancelled because LHR can't cope
#46
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I don’t disagree with anything you say, and I’m not defending any of the many issues with BA at the moment. I was just surprised by others upthread suggesting Easyjet as a preferable alternative in the current times. When they cancel a flight short notice at the airport, the most you can generally hope for is the app telling you that the next available Easyjet flight is in three days’ time. At that point your only hope is to pay for a new flight and hotel yourself and put in a claim to Easyjet which will never get paid. I have had lots of IRROPS in the last few months with BA, and actually what stands out for me is the many friendly and helpful BA staff (who have been treated shockingly by their employer) who have spent hours on the phone with me trying everything to get me to where I want to go.
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They can't afford it, because their owners won't give them any pocket money.
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Pre-Covid, these companies took everything for granted, rewarding themselves for riskier and riskier decisions. Today, their ability to function is in doubt and this can only be rectified with either closing the doors or investing large sums in rebuilding. A great rebalancing is coming and the sooner some of these big companies realise it the more chance they have of surviving.
BA need to build a new IT system starting with a blank sheet of paper and paying for the best value not the cheapest bidder. They also need to the same with their operation. Undoing the cost cutting from the Walsh / Cruz era would be a good start.
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Have we observed any meaningful evidence of cost-cut reversals in recent months ? Admittedly, the CEO (from whom we seem to have heard little during the current issues) is in fire-fighting mode and it’s understandably all about the here & now. However, what exactly is the longer-term vision ; and has it been communicated to customers in a convincing manner ?
One fairly simple example of how the corporate culture could be swiftly improved is in a more mature handling of EU / UK 261 claims, especially at a time when carefully-laid plans of many pax are already being disrupted by frequent delays / cancellations. And yet, refusal letters are still being sent out almost routinely, on the grounds of nonsensical explanations such as crew illness. There is, clearly, a LOT of work needed at management level.
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I'll have some of what you're smoking or is it just drinking? Never in a month of Sundays!
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Have you ever used an enterprise ERP system, supported one, or worse tried rolling one out? Building your own whilst possible isn’t a thing you do in a couple of weeks more like at least a couple of years when you factor in everything from requirements gathering through to end user testing, launch and bug fixes. As I understand it BA have modified and customised existing well known and proven ERP systems like SAP for their use. Customising it to the degree they have is the potential Achilles heel here.
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Have you ever used an enterprise ERP system, supported one, or worse tried rolling one out? Building your own whilst possible isn’t a thing you do in a couple of weeks more like at least a couple of years when you factor in everything from requirements gathering through to end user testing, launch and bug fixes. As I understand it BA have modified and customised existing well known and proven ERP systems like SAP for their use. Customising it to the degree they have is the potential Achilles heel here.
There's been some lively weather passing across west London this afternoon which may have been a factor in LHRs request to pull some flights today, it appears that the weather has contributed to an onmishambles of a service this evening.
#54
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Missing bags?
No bags were delivered at T5 for approximately the last ~25 arriving flights of the day this evening. Understandably, the baggage hall was a sea of human distress at midnight. My own bag has disappeared into the bowels of the airport, probably not to be seen again for weeks, and certainly not before my next flight to Singapore tomorrow. I was told that there are now tens of thousands of missing bags stored across the terminal simply because they can't be transported from planes to baggage belts.
Oh, and a 45 minute flight was 3 hours late, but that's pretty standard now. 90 mins late departing due to knock-on effects from unloading problems at LHR on previous sectors. 60 mins on arrival stuck behind another plane that couldn't park because there was no-one to operate the guidance system. 30 mins parked waiting for someone to operate the jet bridge. The basic failings are eye-opening.
Oh, and a 45 minute flight was 3 hours late, but that's pretty standard now. 90 mins late departing due to knock-on effects from unloading problems at LHR on previous sectors. 60 mins on arrival stuck behind another plane that couldn't park because there was no-one to operate the guidance system. 30 mins parked waiting for someone to operate the jet bridge. The basic failings are eye-opening.
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Have you had any update or movement on your bag? My husband was on one of the flights that warned him he would get no bag before he even got off the flight. We’ve started buying clothes and toiletries and saving receipts but wondering if there’s any timeline to receiving the bags? And of course talking to anyone on the phone is completely impossible so it’s just a waiting game.
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I have an 18 night holiday to Orlando booked with BA in early August. I was previously mildly irked by the fact that they switched the flight from the new A350 with CS to old product, whilst Virgin did literally the opposite, but now my concerns are more about getting there, with our stuff, at all.
My wife is not a good handler of stress, and my kids are, well kids. It won’t be easy to explain to an 8 and 6 year old if things don’t go well.
The balance of around £13k is due on 12th July. Cancelling the holiday isn’t really an option as I’ll lose my deposit and trying to book elsewhere will cost considerably more than what we paid back in September last year.
Given the current state of affairs, what (if any) options do I have?
My wife is not a good handler of stress, and my kids are, well kids. It won’t be easy to explain to an 8 and 6 year old if things don’t go well.
The balance of around £13k is due on 12th July. Cancelling the holiday isn’t really an option as I’ll lose my deposit and trying to book elsewhere will cost considerably more than what we paid back in September last year.
Given the current state of affairs, what (if any) options do I have?
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Consider using Airportr if you live in the London area. And also you could work out whether some creativity on what goes into cabin baggage would keep people happy for a few days even if you end up being the pack mule on the outbound. For all the reports, the great majority of bags do make it, and the greatest risk is having to wait a bit longer for baggage return than normal, whatever that means now. If the worst happens, the bags will be returned within a few days, so if it's just stuff that can be easily replaced in an outlet mall, I doubt the sky will fall in over it.
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Have you ever used an enterprise ERP system, supported one, or worse tried rolling one out? Building your own whilst possible isn’t a thing you do in a couple of weeks more like at least a couple of years when you factor in everything from requirements gathering through to end user testing, launch and bug fixes. As I understand it BA have modified and customised existing well known and proven ERP systems like SAP for their use. Customising it to the degree they have is the potential Achilles heel here.
But I do know that if you want to do something, you’ll find a way. If you don’t want to do something, for whatever reason, you’ll find an excuse.
But the US will one day / month / year / decade pass tighter gun control laws - the only variable being how many have to die in mass shootings until the public outcry makes it happen.
Similarly, one day / month/ year / decade, BA will redevelop the IT to be fit for purpose - the only variable being how much money is wasted before the investors make it happen.
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Nope, nope and nope. It all sounds like gobbledegook to me.
But I do know that if you want to do something, you’ll find a way. If you don’t want to do something, for whatever reason, you’ll find an excuse.
But the US will one day / month / year / decade pass tighter gun control laws - the only variable being how many have to die in mass shootings until the public outcry makes it happen.
Similarly, one day / month/ year / decade, BA will redevelop the IT to be fit for purpose - the only variable being how much money is wasted before the investors make it happen.
But I do know that if you want to do something, you’ll find a way. If you don’t want to do something, for whatever reason, you’ll find an excuse.
But the US will one day / month / year / decade pass tighter gun control laws - the only variable being how many have to die in mass shootings until the public outcry makes it happen.
Similarly, one day / month/ year / decade, BA will redevelop the IT to be fit for purpose - the only variable being how much money is wasted before the investors make it happen.
Personally I’d be more worried about BA if they decided to do their own ERP system because that really would be madness.