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subject2load Jun 2, 22 10:29 am

BA ground staff at LHR: Summer '22 strike threat suspended after deal agreed
 
I feel so sure there must be (??) an existing thread, which I have failed to find, that I hereby apologise in advance !

This seemingly-reliable specialist site is reporting on a ballot process for industrial action by LHR check-in staff, on the specific issue of reversal of previous pandemic-related pay cuts but for management only, whilst leaving cuts to pay of Union members still in place.

Does not augur well for upcoming summer season travel out of LHR.


https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/31163-british-unions-ballot-heathrow-staff-over-strike

AirbusA350 Jun 2, 22 11:09 am

I’d be highly surprised if BA didn’t back down for this and agree something with the unions. Like how BA had an “upper hand” against unions during 2020 with the so-called “fire and rehire” redundancy consultations, at this point in time BA are almost completely at the mercy of unions. If a strike were to go ahead it would be absolutely disastrous financially for BA just as it predicts returning to profitability by next quarter! If a strike does go ahead, then that would probably curtains for Doyle too in the process.

hungry Jun 2, 22 11:29 am

Best of luck to all BA staff.

Like many here, if strike does go ahead and we get disrupted, I will place the blame at the feet of BA, NOT the striking workers

eh220160 Jun 7, 22 3:56 pm

BA summer strike
 
Not intending to open a debate as to whether strike action is justified but is there any logic as to when the strike might actually take place based on historical precedent - i.e. is there a set notice period following 27 June or some other protocol / negotiation period that must be adhered to after the ballot closes? Or could the strike happen literally at any time following 27 June, and for any number of days?

The messaging below is very ominous. Just in the process of booking numerous back-up flights in the final hours of BwC as there is a personal event in mainland Europe that I cannot miss...

The industrial action ballot, which covers around 500 staff, will open on Tuesday 7 June and close on Monday 27 June. Should workers vote in favour of industrial action, strikes are expected to occur in July when demands for flights are expected to be high.

windym Jun 7, 22 4:22 pm


Originally Posted by eh220160 (Post 34315874)
Not intending to open a debate as to whether strike action is justified but is there any logic as to when the strike might actually take place based on historical precedent - i.e. is there a set notice period following 27 June or some other protocol / negotiation period that must be adhered to after the ballot closes? Or could the strike happen literally at any time following 27 June, and for any number of days?

The messaging below is very ominous. Just in the process of booking numerous back-up flights in the final hours of BwC as there is a personal event in mainland Europe that I cannot miss...

The industrial action ballot, which covers around 500 staff, will open on Tuesday 7 June and close on Monday 27 June. Should workers vote in favour of industrial action, strikes are expected to occur in July when demands for flights are expected to be high.

14 days notice to strike unless both parties agree to allow 7 days (why they would allow only 7 days notice I don't know but DVSA and the Unions allowed that last year). So if the result is announced on the 27th June, then strike action could be any time from 11th July onwards.

jerry a. laska Jun 7, 22 4:43 pm

Also see:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...tion-july.html

Bullswood Jun 7, 22 6:26 pm

Hopefully sanity will prevail, and it needs to be soon - a strike (or even the uncertainty caused by its threat) after the recent airport & rescheduling chaos would IMHO have catastrophic effects on BA's tiny residual customer goodwill.

Does anyone remember what BA did to re-accommodate in past strikes? Presumably nothing could move out of LHR or other BA staffed airports. I seem to recall a fleet of wet-leased Qatar short haul aircraft being brought in, but that couldn't happen at T5 without check-in. Also, with the QR/Airbus battle I can't imagine they'd have much capacity this time around.

On the long haul side, the QR move back to T4 is timely as it will give them an operation independent from BA resources. I guess they could simply accelerate what seems anyway to be an ongoing long-term transfer of BA's Eastbound long-haul business to QR - my concern again is that the latter (or for that matter, anyone else) simply won't have spare capacity in the July peak.

Bullswood Jun 7, 22 6:53 pm


Originally Posted by eh220160 (Post 34315874)
Just in the process of booking numerous back-up flights in the final hours of BwC as there is a personal event in mainland Europe that I cannot miss....

Likewise - I have to travel from/to Oz and I"m sure there won't be any last minute options so best to double-up now!

sbonathan Jun 7, 22 6:54 pm

I don't know if it is linked, but BA staff that are members of the GMB Union have also been balloted over strike action:

"Hundreds of GMB members working as Heathrow check in and ground staff begin voting on strike action today.
"The ballot ends on 23 June with the result expected the same day."


https://www.gmb.org.uk/news/hundreds...-strike-ballot

1Aturnleft Jun 7, 22 6:55 pm


Originally Posted by Bullswood (Post 34316241)
my concern is again that the latter (or for that matter, anyone else) won't have spare capacity in the July peak.

I'm sure this will have been factored in to the proposal by the Unions to strike on dates which will impact/affect the airline as much as possible. If it were simply a case of being able to offer a contingency and of no significant impact to the operation it's not really going to amount to much or be taken seriously by the airline. It's designed to be somewhat strategic in order to make the airline stop and think about whats at stake.

MiraculousM Jun 8, 22 4:27 am


Originally Posted by 1Aturnleft (Post 34316301)
I'm sure this will have been factored in to the proposal by the Unions to strike on dates which will impact/affect the airline as much as possible. If it were simply a case of being able to offer a contingency and of no significant impact to the operation it's not really going to amount to much or be taken seriously by the airline. It's designed to be somewhat strategic in order to make the airline stop and think about whats at stake.

I have already had an email that a flight at the start of July is being operated by a Iberia crew and plane so i am hoping this doesnt get given to someone else.

PGberkshire Jun 8, 22 4:32 am


Originally Posted by MiraculousM (Post 34317125)
I have already had an email that a flight at the start of July is being operated by a Iberia crew and plane so i am hoping this doesnt get given to someone else.

Not sure I follow?

BA have arranged for Iberia to fly certain routes for them (wet lease) due to capacity issues

MiraculousM Jun 8, 22 4:47 am


Originally Posted by PGberkshire (Post 34317135)
Not sure I follow?

BA have arranged for Iberia to fly certain routes for them (wet lease) due to capacity issues

Its a BCN - LHR flight that has already been wet leased but not all flights on that day have been wet leased and its only this one. Could BA go "we are going to use the wet leased jet/crew for another flight" and just cancel mine?

PGberkshire Jun 8, 22 4:51 am


Originally Posted by MiraculousM (Post 34317161)
Its a BCN - LHR flight that has already been wet leased but not all flights on that day have been wet leased and its only this one. Could BA go "we are going to use the wet leased jet/crew for another flight" and just cancel mine?

Yes potentially

Jeedos Jun 8, 22 4:52 am


Originally Posted by MiraculousM (Post 34317161)
Its a BCN - LHR flight that has already been wet leased but not all flights on that day have been wet leased and its only this one. Could BA go "we are going to use the wet leased jet/crew for another flight" and just cancel mine?

BA did this for my flight to Malta; they cancelled one BA flight number but moved me to an I2 operated flight on a BA flight number.

Does it matter? I2/IB short haul product is no different to BA's.

PGberkshire Jun 8, 22 4:55 am


Originally Posted by Jeedos (Post 34317166)
BA did this for my flight to Malta; they cancelled one BA flight number but moved me to an I2 operated flight on a BA flight number.

Does it matter? I2/IB short haul product is no different to BA's.

I dont think OP is concerned between different products, more that at short notice, if the strike goes ahead his flight is CANX.

MarkP24 Jun 18, 22 10:35 pm

BA Strike
 
Based on this article, it seems a BA strike is possible: https://www.euronews.com/travel/2022...rrier-in-chaos although I haven't seen it reported in other news sources. Any updates on this?

PETER01 Jun 18, 22 11:05 pm

There was a thread about it here but there's been no other posts for over a week.

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...ly-2022-a.html

A raw Google search will also throw up a few news articles too.

MarkP24 Jun 18, 22 11:12 pm


Originally Posted by PETER01 (Post 34348640)
There was a thread about it here but there's been no other posts for over a week.

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...ly-2022-a.html

A raw Google search will also throw up a few news articles too.

Thanks.

PETER01 Jun 18, 22 11:22 pm

The strike ballot closes on the 23rd June and I believe there's a 7 day minimum legal notice required to BA so any strike will be at the very earliest from around the 1st July onwards.

However, as the result isn't known yet but assuming it's a yes (just a personal hunch) then any negotiations might start but if they fail I'd predict any strike will be targeted at the start of the English School Holidays which I think is around the 22nd July ish?

TPJ Jun 19, 22 1:32 am

To be honest (and regardless how it sounds), there was never better time to strike. BA already has problems with hiring people, so they cannot fire these who strike. Might be an easy win for employees.

KARFA Jun 19, 22 1:35 am


Originally Posted by TPJ (Post 34348792)
To be honest (and regardless how it sounds), there was never better time to strike. BA already has problems with hiring people, so they cannot fire these who strike. Might be an easy win for employees.

an employer can’t simply fire people who are participating in a legal strike - regardless of whether they can easily hire replacements or not.

Delboy65 Jun 19, 22 1:41 am


Originally Posted by KARFA (Post 34348797)
an employer can’t simply fire people who are participating in a legal strike - regardless of whether they can easily hire replacements or not.

not yet anyway 🤣

KARFA Jun 19, 22 1:44 am


Originally Posted by Delboy65 (Post 34348803)
not yet anyway 🤣

i doubt ever

moral_low_ground Jun 19, 22 1:46 am


Originally Posted by KARFA (Post 34348797)
an employer can’t simply fire people who are participating in a legal strike - regardless of whether they can easily hire replacements or not.

If you have been at a Company less than 2 years then the Company can pretty much decide to fire you as it pleases in the UK. I would think, given the turnover at BA, that there are many employees with less than 2 years tenure. However, I would agree that now is probably a good a time to Strike whilst there is a shortage of labour and the recession still perhaps a few months away.

KARFA Jun 19, 22 1:54 am


Originally Posted by moral_low_ground (Post 34348807)
If you have been at a Company less than 2 years then the Company can pretty much decide to fire you as it pleases in the UK.

Some protections still stand for those under 2 years, so no they can’t fire you as they please, and certainly not for participation in a legal strike. It would be deemed an automatically unfair dismissal.

bluemoon68 Jun 19, 22 2:04 am


Originally Posted by TPJ (Post 34348792)
To be honest (and regardless how it sounds), there was never better time to strike. BA already has problems with hiring people, so they cannot fire these who strike. Might be an easy win for employees.

I took this as meaning BA needs to keep its current employees as it is already short staffed.

srbrenna Jun 19, 22 2:57 am


Originally Posted by KARFA (Post 34348797)
an employer can’t simply fire people who are participating in a legal strike - regardless of whether they can easily hire replacements or not.

They can because it is breach of contract. However this dismissal will automatically be classed as an unfair dismissal but you will have to go through a tribunal for recompense. It would be highly unusual if BA would do this though.

KARFA Jun 19, 22 3:09 am

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TedToToe Jun 19, 22 3:33 am


Originally Posted by TPJ (Post 34348792)
To be honest (and regardless how it sounds), there was never better time to strike. BA already has problems with hiring people, so they cannot fire these who strike. Might be an easy win for employees.

Or, put another way: never a better time to be sat at the negotiating table with a mandate for strike action! Let's hope that both sides are eager to settle this without an extremely damaging strike!

Jackanory Jun 19, 22 3:41 am

​​​​​​Ah here we go again with the possibility of another strike at BA. It's almost every year BA management seem to go above and beyond to piss off their staff. In all honestly I hope the staff either get what they want or this is the final nail in the coffin for BA because it's often cheaper and more reliable to fly with another carrier.

Let's just hope it's not that dreaded mixed fleet union negotiating for the cabin crew because I'm not sure they are any good at what they do!

SonTech Jun 19, 22 9:41 am


Originally Posted by KARFA (Post 34348797)
an employer can’t simply fire people who are participating in a legal strike - regardless of whether they can easily hire replacements or not.

Actually they can but its not without severe consequences to a company that does so. In the end all what would happen is a company would just pay them compensation.

KARFA Jun 19, 22 10:04 am


Originally Posted by SonTech (Post 34349434)
Actually they can but its not without severe consequences to a company that does so. In the end all what would happen is a company would just pay them compensation.

well in the sense that there is nothing in an employment contract saying you have a right to strike, and that by definition a strike isn’t compatible with your employment contract, yes anyone can be sacked for striking. I think saying they would “just pay them compensation” somewhat underplays the liability they would have incurred as an employer if they did that.

Tobias-UK Jun 19, 22 10:40 am


Originally Posted by KARFA (Post 34349489)
well in the sense that there is nothing in an employment contract saying you have a right to strike, and that by definition a strike isn’t compatible with your employment contract, yes anyone can be sacked for striking. I think saying they would “just pay them compensation” somewhat underplays the liability they would have incurred as an employer if they did that.

Similarly there is nothing stopping me from murdering someone. In the end all what would happen is I would just spend a few years in prison.

South London Bon Viveur Jun 19, 22 1:56 pm


Originally Posted by SonTech (Post 34349434)
Actually they can but its not without severe consequences to a company that does so. In the end all what would happen is a company would just pay them compensation.

This was basically the approach taken by P&O, and that did not end well. I doubt Doyle wants to go up before a Parliamentary enquiry.

KARFA Jun 19, 22 2:00 pm

Yes apologies for the side track. I think we can all agree BA are not about to start making anyone redundant due to strikes.

Let’s hope this is resolved amicably before any action. I suspect many of us are starting to find travel atm quite trying as it is without strikes to deal with as well :)

Confus Jun 19, 22 5:06 pm

There’s nothing quite like BA in panic mode. Apparently they’re hastily trying to find hundreds of HQ staff they can train rapidly to work in terminals. Can’t wait for the stories here when that all goes wrong. At least all XSBs will be free for a while, that’s not part of the training.

13901 Jun 19, 22 11:39 pm

I’d hope that BA and IAG, under Doyle and Gallego, are a bit less dogmatic in their approach than they were when Willie and his loyal minion Alex were running the shop. From what I hear the TU demands, both in the air and on the ground, are far from being unreasonable.

moral_low_ground Jun 20, 22 1:33 am

Well, this is all shaking up to be a summer of sh*t. The airports are already in chaos without the strikes, soon we won't be able to get to the airport because public transport is on strike, parking at the airport costs a fortune so driving yourself is not a desirable option.

No common sense anywhere and it won't be long before we end up in a 70's style situation

flybymonkey Jun 20, 22 2:24 am

Surely strikes can easily be avoided if BA should just give the union what they want. Then mark up ticket prices accordingly for the loss?


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