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FlyingNowhere Jun 20, 22 6:50 am


Originally Posted by QF Lad (Post 34351904)
Exactly, BA and its contractors can barely get enough employees to work for them, let alone be firing them.
The remuneration being offered for some of these airport jobs is ridiculously low, eg. 20k for baggage handler jobs at LHR with Swissport, early starts and late finishes, working outside in all weathers, and the wear and tear it has on their backs and bodies. I'd hate to be travelling with BA in July and get caught up in this, but if the staff revolt who are working day and night on these wages, I don't blame them.

I realise in this case the potential strike is concerning management, but some of these airport jobs are hard work for very low pay.

You're spot on - most of these jobs seem to be around £11/hr. In London where a small 1 bed flat costs £350k. And with shifts that start at 5am where you then have to pay for parking and so on!
I can see why staff feel frustrated, it just does not add up!

As a customer I feel frustrated. I'd happily pay another £50 on a £1000 long haul ticket if it meant that staff got paid fairly, and in return that built a better business model where there was less queuing/pain/hassle etc at airports!

13901 Jun 20, 22 7:30 am


Originally Posted by FlyingNowhere (Post 34351957)
You're spot on - most of these jobs seem to be around £11/hr. In London where a small 1 bed flat costs £350k. And with shifts that start at 5am where you then have to pay for parking and so on!
I can see why staff feel frustrated, it just does not add up!

As a customer I feel frustrated. I'd happily pay another £50 on a £1000 long haul ticket if it meant that staff got paid fairly, and in return that built a better business model where there was less queuing/pain/hassle etc at airports!

It gets worse for aircraft cleaners. The advertised rate is in the region of £9.50/hr, which is actually below the London living wage.

Unfortunately, it won't change until investors demand so. But even that is unlikely, for the one and only question analysts ask is how are the airlines keeping costs down. Look at the post immediately above yours; the riot among investors is because of IAG wanting to raise its own share benefit scheme, not workers' pay.

Confus Jun 20, 22 1:59 pm


Originally Posted by FlyingNowhere (Post 34351957)
As a customer I feel frustrated. I'd happily pay another £50 on a £1000 long haul ticket if it meant that staff got paid fairly, and in return that built a better business model where there was less queuing/pain/hassle etc at airports!

The problem is that itís an unequal marketplace. Airlines tend to hire the most staff in their major hubs, so BA in the UK would have a higher cost base than a carrier based in a low-wage (often also low-safety) economy. So without international regulation equalising price rises, your £50 to BA might only need to be £20 to another carrier, which skews the market.

Iím not saying wages arenít too low, far from it. Just that itís not as simple as saying we should all agree to pay more.

FlyingNowhere Jun 20, 22 2:19 pm


Originally Posted by Confus (Post 34353323)
The problem is that itís an unequal marketplace. Airlines tend to hire the most staff in their major hubs, so BA in the UK would have a higher cost base than a carrier based in a low-wage (often also low-safety) economy. So without international regulation equalising price rises, your £50 to BA might only need to be £20 to another carrier, which skews the market.

Iím not saying wages arenít too low, far from it. Just that itís not as simple as saying we should all agree to pay more.

I agree with you and indeed that indeed is a more complex issue. And we already see that when you compare BA with the Middle East 3 who offer better food, newer planes, better films and so on. Essentially they don't really have to turn a profit and are have 'rich parents' who can support them, where the parents in this case are well off Arab states.

Other problem is consumers seem to have short memories. They take a flight with easybudget2jet airlines, loads of queues, loads of hassle, pay £35 for a cup of tea on board and then moan when bags are extra.
Yet when their next holiday comes around, they simply sort SkyScanner by price and easybudget2jet airlines are £10 cheaper than BA, so they fly with easybudget2jet again!

From what I understand the likes of EasyJet and RyanAir are actually some of the most 'successful' airlines out there - they generate far more profit/share holder return than the likes of BA. And as airlines are fundamentally businesses that is really all that matters to them. A few people bleeting on Twitter about long queues seems a small price to pay for record profits.

Increasingly there does not seem to be a very strong business model (in the UK) for those like me who are happy to pay a bit more for better service, because the low cost low service carriers are actually more profitable. (I think?)

DYKWIA Jun 20, 22 3:34 pm


Originally Posted by FlyingNowhere (Post 34353381)
They take a flight with easybudget2jet airlines, loads of queues, loads of hassle, pay £35 for a cup of tea on board and then moan when bags are extra.

You seem to be describing BA here?

LETTERBOY Jun 20, 22 10:36 pm


Originally Posted by FlyingNowhere (Post 34351957)
I'd happily pay another £50 on a £1000 long haul ticket if it meant that staff got paid fairly, and in return that built a better business model where there was less queuing/pain/hassle etc at airports!

The problem is that there aren't enough people who are willing to do the same for the airlines to make enough money doing that.

srbrenna Jun 21, 22 5:03 am


Originally Posted by LETTERBOY (Post 34354400)
The problem is that there aren't enough people who are willing to do the same for the airlines to make enough money doing that.

At the moment fares are sky high and people are still booking. People swallow fare rises for fuel, tax, airport costs etc so why not for wages?

LETTERBOY Jun 21, 22 11:30 am


Originally Posted by srbrenna (Post 34354938)
At the moment fares are sky high and people are still booking. People swallow fare rises for fuel, tax, airport costs etc so why not for wages?

The key words being "at the moment." Airfares aren't always going to be this high, and people aren't always going to be booking at the rate they are. Eventually, both will go back down. That may not be for a while, but it will definitely happen at some point. What happens when they go back down, but airlines can't lower fares to encourage bookings because they have these additional labor costs?

If people are willing to pay more for this, why aren't the airlines already doing it? Furthermore, even if an airline was willing to try it, they'd be putting themselves at a competitive disadvantage with all of the other airlines, unless all of the other airlines did the same thing at the same time. All it would take is 1 or 2 airlines saying, "We're not doing that, we're going to keep our fares lower." Guess who will get the most bookings?

Raffles Jun 21, 22 12:32 pm


Originally Posted by LETTERBOY (Post 34354400)
The problem is that there aren't enough people who are willing to do the same for the airlines to make enough money doing that.

It's 'More Room Through Coach' all over again .....

(For youngsters amongst us, American Airlines once decided to break ranks and rip out economy seats to improve legroom, but charging more. It was a commercial disaster and soon reversed.)

One day someone will write a thesis on why people are prepared to pay anything from £20 to £1,000 for a hotel room in the same city on the same night but under 2% are prepared to pay extra for a more comfortable journey to get there (based on, say, 10 flights per day across multiple airlines on a typical European city pair and only two of those flights being on legacy carriers and having business class).

We can then move on to a 2nd thesis on why people value their time badly and choose cheaper flights even when it means chopping hours off their trip or having, for example, to take taxis on arrival or stay in airport hotels the night before because of inappropriate flight times .....

Kranebitten Jun 22, 22 1:58 am

Hello all - I appreciate the GMB ballot ends tomorrow as I understand it, so we should get news of the result and next steps soon. I have followed the thread with interest as I will be flying back into the UK mid-July so may be impacted. As luck would have it, I have an appointment I have waited 4 months for 2 days after I am meant to get back that is near impossible to move without facing a 6 months delay so starting to mull my options.

Could a kindly soul summarise the known likely areas impacted as there appears to a mosaic of disputes and information is patchy at the moment e.g. LHR - check in/ground staff? Any LGW staff also involved? I have seen mention of maintenance possibly being involved too but that may be press speculation.

mun Jun 23, 22 4:29 am

When will strike days be announced?
 
I believe today is the last day of ballot and it seems likely that the result will be strike action. If so when will we know strike dates?

Chammer Jun 23, 22 5:28 am

All I've heard is during the school holiday part of July (so likely last week or two). Results due at around 2pm today.

wb1969 Jun 23, 22 6:15 am

I don't think we need a crystal ball to anticipate the result. Almost certainly yet more misery to be inflicted on a thoroughly pissed off public.

andymcdonnell Jun 23, 22 6:21 am

Swell. Due to fly to IAD on 30th July

salut0 Jun 23, 22 7:28 am

Any update? Itís now after 2pm in LondonÖ


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