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BA ground staff at LHR: Summer '22 strike threat suspended after deal agreed

BA ground staff at LHR: Summer '22 strike threat suspended after deal agreed

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British Airway's employed ground staff, based mainly at LHR. have voted in favour of strike action in respect of a dispute relating to pay and conditions. This strike ballot is valid for 6 months, and allows the unions to nominate strike dates, provided the employer has 2 weeks notice of the strike. The general tendency in the UK is for relatively short strike dates, typically a day or two, but several of them separate by several days.

Updated: 7 July/2022, no strike dates have been provided and an agreement in principle has been reached with the Unions. Two weeks notice must be provided by the unions. This means there will be no strikes before 21 July 2022. However though the ballot is valid 6 months, the first strike needs to be within 4 weeks, which is 23 July 2022. This can extended by a further 4 weeks if the employer agrees, for example to facilitate a ballot of the agreement. So that suggests there won't be a strike in July and there may well be no strikes at all for this employment group.

Those involved in this strike are check-in staff, baggage handlers, lounge staff, gate agents, some turnaround managers, and related airport staff. Cabin and flight crew are not in this dispute. LGW and LCY flights are not in this dispute. Contract ground agents - at LHR and out stations - are also not involved. Some roles can be performed by management, but it is unlikely that core activties at LHR Terminal 3 and Terminal 5 can avoid significant disruption. If flights are disrupted by strkes then usually BA allows people to move their flights to alternative dates and other arrangements (e.g. rebooking on AA). There is a separate dispute being worked through involving call centre staff and engineers, but there is no ballot at this point, so any strike is some way off.




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Old Jun 24, 22, 2:10 pm
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Originally Posted by PGberkshire View Post
Unions are just bullies who wait until the time to screw people over comes and then go on strike. They dont create anything, they dont invest in anything, they just take take take.
yeah, sure. Whilst companies like Ba are just loving angels who live to sacrifice themselves to the greater good of their employees, their customers, and humankind and give give give with heartfelt and unbound generosity bless them
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Old Jun 24, 22, 2:19 pm
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Wow... this is a classic BA forum thread (i.e. endless bickering which solves nothing), but really belongs in OMNI on it's current trajectory....

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Old Jun 24, 22, 3:29 pm
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Originally Posted by PGberkshire View Post
You know a key reason we have low unemployment in this country is due to the flexible labour market. If you don't like your job, go and interview elsewhere. Lots of BA staff learnt this during the pandemic...

Healthy labour markets and free business is based on competition, choice and flexibility. Unions are just bullies who wait until the time to screw people over comes and then go on strike. They dont create anything, they dont invest in anything, they just take take take.
Unions created The Labour Party, weekends, paid holiday, maternity leave, paternity leave, health and safety regulations, equality data reporting amongst individual and collective representation of the working class. They invest in their members and use members contributions to campaign on workplace issues. It's a very democratic process and most union members actually work their socks off to make the workplace a better place. Managers on the other hand....only in it for themselves really.
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Old Jun 24, 22, 4:12 pm
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Originally Posted by scubadu View Post
Wow... this is a classic BA forum thread (i.e. endless bickering which solves nothing), but really belongs in OMNI on it's current trajectory....

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Yes: can we break out a clear post with solid information about when the strike could or will happen, what the effects are likely to or will be, and what travelers can/should do in case of disruptions? Maybe as the first post (wiki?) or move the general discussion to somewhere else?
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Old Jun 24, 22, 4:32 pm
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Old Jun 24, 22, 4:35 pm
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Originally Posted by MH1981 View Post
Vile. Feel free to find a new airline.
Wise words to the people of the UK...might be time to let BA go and start anew.
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Old Jun 24, 22, 4:36 pm
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Originally Posted by Jackanory View Post
Managers on the other hand....only in it for themselves really.
If thats your genuine view, rather than hyperbole, then there are issues on both sides of this disagreement.
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Old Jun 24, 22, 5:07 pm
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Originally Posted by orbitmic View Post
yeah, sure. Whilst companies like Ba are just loving angels who live to sacrifice themselves to the greater good of their employees, their customers, and humankind and give give give with heartfelt and unbound generosity bless them
No, but BA as a business have invested capital into running a company, they operate at risk. Unions dont, they just take members subscriptions and blackmail firms - What do they do for the UK economy?

You sign contract, you work to that contract, you don't like it, leave. Going on strike, breach of contact - should be fired.
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Old Jun 24, 22, 5:08 pm
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Originally Posted by PGberkshire View Post
No, but BA as a business have invested capital into running a company, they operate at risk. Unions dont, they just take members subscriptions and blackmail firms - What do they do for the UK economy?

You sign contract, you work to that contract, you don't like it, leave. Going on strike, breach of contact - should be fired.
I think youll find that Unions are needed because companies suddenly cut and change contracts.
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Old Jun 24, 22, 5:11 pm
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Originally Posted by MH1981 View Post
Vile. Feel free to find a new airline.
Why should I?
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Old Jun 24, 22, 5:13 pm
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I have created a wiki to give what I think are the key aspects in a factual way. By all means correct any errors.

I suspect a lot of lurkers and occasional flyers are quite worried about their holiday plans, so they will be looking through this thread for information on that, rather than the broader issue of the role of trade unions in society.
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Old Jun 24, 22, 5:36 pm
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Originally Posted by PGberkshire View Post
Why should I?
Personally I think the staff deserve better than serving someone so self indulgent.

You describe a workforce, there to serve you, but desperate (and fully entitled) to be paid what they were paid pre pandemicas childish.

BA staff getting what they deserve and you getting away on your holiday are not mutually exclusive. You mention its a free marketuse it.

Alternatively show a little sympathy and if youre impacted BA will find you an alternative flight.

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Do you think there is any chance they will ground the airline completely like Alan Joyce did at Qantas? A slightly stressed Ausie here. We haven't been able ro travel in UK and Europe for 2 years and now another actual or potential hurdle.
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Old Jun 24, 22, 7:02 pm
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Originally Posted by wtcmor View Post
Do you think there is any chance they will ground the airline completely like Alan Joyce did at Qantas? A slightly stressed Ausie here. We haven't been able ro travel in UK and Europe for 2 years and now another actual or potential hurdle.
Most posts here are likely to be wet finger guesstimates at best.

My view is that a total grounding is at the least likely end of the spectrum.
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Old Jun 24, 22, 9:37 pm
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Originally Posted by PGberkshire View Post
No, but BA as a business have invested capital into running a company, they operate at risk. Unions dont, they just take members subscriptions and blackmail firms - What do they do for the UK economy?

You sign contract, you work to that contract, you don't like it, leave. Going on strike, breach of contact - should be fired.
BA have not enough staff to run the program, and are cancelling flights as a consequence. You want even more staff to leave, how is that going to help?
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