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Originally Posted by lost_in_translation
(Post 34364710)
It's also a free market for summer holidays, unless you're suggesting changing employer is easier than changing your summer holiday plans...
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Originally Posted by Joeykins
(Post 34364709)
Leave and go where mate? These people have bills to pay, families to support. The power balance between employer and employee is inherently skewed towards the employer unless one is fortunate enough to be in a position where the mortgage is paid in full, the dependents have moved out of the house, and there's sufficient savings in the bank that one can simply walk out without consequence. For the vast majority of people in this country that is not the case, and it's only the combination of employment law and the risk of union action acting as a bulwark against the worst excesses of boardrooms across the country who are incentivised to
The fact that the union ballot is overwhelmingly in favour of strike action suggests that this is not childish at all but is either a colossal example of groupthink in action, or (vastly more likely IMO) a genuine sense of injustice amongst the workers upon whose labour the business depends. If you think that your holiday is more important than the ground staff having to choose between feeding their kids and heating their homes this winter then I don't know what to say to you. Healthy labour markets and free business is based on competition, choice and flexibility. Unions are just bullies who wait until the time to screw people over comes and then go on strike. They dont create anything, they dont invest in anything, they just take take take. |
Originally Posted by JackDann
(Post 34364700)
I've just double checked this (Not after a couple of pints) and I was right, there is not a single reward flight available for the whole of June. Extremely annoying! Still reward availability on EI although extortionate Taxes and Fee's.
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Originally Posted by PGberkshire
(Post 34364694)
And its a free market, leave, dont blackmail / hold to ransom (and ruin peoples holidays) - childish behaviour
the free labour market speaks for itself Obviously we all hope for an amicable solution and movement from both sides on this issue, but if all 700 did as you childishly suggest and leave BA there will even more ruined holidays and damage for BA. |
Originally Posted by PGberkshire
(Post 34364775)
You know a key reason we have low unemployment in this country is due to the flexible labour market. If you don't like your job, go and interview elsewhere. Lots of BA staff learnt this during the pandemic...
Healthy labour markets and free business is based on competition, choice and flexibility. Unions are just bullies who wait until the time to screw people over comes and then go on strike. They dont create anything, they dont invest in anything, they just take take take. I'm not exactly what you call pro-union but I find it highly ironic that you say unions are just bullies. I forgot BA was the victim here, massively ramping up fares to take advantage of the insane demand this year, while also witholding pay from staff at the same time. And no, a 10% one off payment is not even close to good enough, that should be a bonus on top of their original wage for having to take up the slack post axe swinging. Staff who've been good enough to stay loyal, or forced to stay with BA because they have no other options are essentially almost 20% worse off in real terms than they were in 2019. That is ridiculous. |
Originally Posted by PGberkshire
(Post 34364775)
Lots of BA staff learnt this during the pandemic...
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Originally Posted by PGberkshire
(Post 34364775)
You know a key reason we have low unemployment in this country is due to the flexible labour market. If you don't like your job, go and interview elsewhere. Lots of BA staff learnt this during the pandemic...
Healthy labour markets and free business is based on competition, choice and flexibility. Unions are just bullies who wait until the time to screw people over comes and then go on strike. They dont create anything, they dont invest in anything, they just take take take. |
Originally Posted by PGberkshire
(Post 34364775)
You know a key reason we have low unemployment in this country is due to the flexible labour market. If you don't like your job, go and interview elsewhere. Lots of BA staff learnt this during the pandemic...
Healthy labour markets and free business is based on competition, choice and flexibility. Unions are just bullies who wait until the time to screw people over comes and then go on strike. They dont create anything, they dont invest in anything, they just take take take. |
Originally Posted by PGberkshire
(Post 34364775)
You know a key reason we have low unemployment in this country is due to the flexible labour market. If you don't like your job, go and interview elsewhere. Lots of BA staff learnt this during the pandemic...
Healthy labour markets and free business is based on competition, choice and flexibility. Unions are just bullies who wait until the time to screw people over comes and then go on strike. They dont create anything, they dont invest in anything, they just take take take. Other "less flexible" economies like France, Germany and Italy are also running near full employment right now. The threat of industrial action is IMHO due to BA exercising it's "flexibility" during the pandemic and the poorly-treated employees exercising their "flexibility" now the tables are turned. I will turn your arguments around. In a free economy where you suddenly need additional staff to cope with increased demand, the usual path would be to increase or otherwise improve the package offered to existing and new employees. Now, how about careful planning for that in advance so that those poorly-treated staff are not also expected to put in extra shifts and longer hours. This situation was certain to result in industrial unrest and I suspect the package BA will end up giving these staff will cost more than if they'd just been open, fair and honest in the first place. Why does BA always do things this way, regardless of who is CEO this week? |
Low unemployment is also part of the reason BA (and the airports, in fairness) find themselves short staffed. Quite simply, people are not interested in working for them and the compensation on offer will be a huge factor in that. There is better available elsewhere.
I have seen moans from airlines about Brexit reducing their candidate pool. This is true, it has to be said, but I fear what they really mean is "we can't just hire people from poorer countries that will take low wages now". |
Originally Posted by PGberkshire
(Post 34364775)
They dont create anything, they dont invest in anything, they just take take take.
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Okay. My first time ever flying BA. Ha! We are due to return (VCE-LHR-BOS) on July 23/24 (evening flight to LHR, overnight at airport, LHR-BOS in a.m. of the 24th), which is squarely in the bullseye of possible strike target dates. I'm trying to just be prepared & understand my options in the event of a strike Already plan to do carry-on only. So two questions:
--Does American Airlines have its own ground staff at Heathrow? There is an AA LHR-BOS flight that leaves at the same time, and would jump on that if we could. --We are flying Business Class. If our BA flight to BOS still goes out (I have read elsewhere that long haul flights are ones that they try to maintain), then does anyone think this would be helpful in avoiding the inevitable check-in carnage? ETA: Just checked my booking and BA canceled my VCE to LHR flight and didn't book me any replacement! Wow, they suck (apparently no business class flights available on the next earlier flight). |
Originally Posted by jmasgat
(Post 34365423)
Okay. My first time ever flying BA. Ha! We are due to return (VCE-LHR-BOS) on July 23/24 (evening flight to LHR, overnight at airport, LHR-BOS in a.m. of the 24th), which is squarely in the bullseye of possible strike target dates. I'm trying to just be prepared & understand my options in the event of a strike Already plan to do carry-on only. So two questions:
--Does American Airlines have its own ground staff at Heathrow? There is an AA LHR-BOS flight that leaves at the same time, and would jump on that if we could. --We are flying Business Class. If our BA flight to BOS still goes out (I have read elsewhere that long haul flights are ones that they try to maintain), then does anyone think this would be helpful in avoiding the inevitable check-in carnage? |
corporate-wage-slave I thought the 10% is only a bonus but the strike is because they are not returning to the pre pandemic salaries that they were promised. What fool allows a company to get £4bn in debt!!!
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Originally Posted by flybymonkey
(Post 34365985)
corporate-wage-slave I thought the 10% is only a bonus but the strike is because they are not returning to the pre pandemic salaries that they were promised. What fool allows a company to get £4bn in debt!!!
The rest is pandemic losses I'm surprised it's not bigger tbh The strikers demand is to restore a 10% pay cut implimented during that loss making 18 months |
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