BA15 LHR -SIN 5th May left with empty water tanks
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The tone of discussion in this thread needs to be taken down a couple of notches.
I haven’t read anyone trying to excuse the lack of water on the flight. Clearly, if it needs stating directly, this was v poor and unacceptable.
What we don’t have (if I recall the full thread correctly) is a concrete reason for the lack of water. We would need to know this before speculating if there is any read-across to other checks, procedures etc.
I haven’t read anyone trying to excuse the lack of water on the flight. Clearly, if it needs stating directly, this was v poor and unacceptable.
What we don’t have (if I recall the full thread correctly) is a concrete reason for the lack of water. We would need to know this before speculating if there is any read-across to other checks, procedures etc.
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Secondly, what happens when there is residual water in the tanks from the previous flight ? Does someone then have to judge it’s “enough” for the next flight ?
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It depends on the aircraft type but it’s a gauge or display which shows the amount of water in the tank.
The amount of water required depends on the length of flight or if water cannot be uplifted down route.
The amount of water required depends on the length of flight or if water cannot be uplifted down route.
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IIRC also the MCDU warns you if the fuel loaded isn't enough for the route entered. but pilots may provide a deeper insight here...
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1) nobody checked
or
2) it was checked and they knew how much was on board, and a decision was made to depart anyway, taking into account a whole load of other factors that also are not known to us.
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without going to much into detail, which I can't, but the fuel quantity is more or less constantly shown on the monitors in the cockpit. to read back the fuel quantity loaded (and compare that figure to the planned fuel loaded) is a part of at least one pre departure checklist. (water AFAIK) not.
IIRC also the MCDU warns you if the fuel loaded isn't enough for the route entered. but pilots may provide a deeper insight here...
IIRC also the MCDU warns you if the fuel loaded isn't enough for the route entered. but pilots may provide a deeper insight here...
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Link to the BEA accident report: https://www.bea.aero/uploads/tx_elyd...-sc000725a.pdf
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You might not care about the explanations, but they are very reasonable explanations that serve as a good insight into how things work and how the situation might have developed. I found them very interesting.
Yes it’s sub optimal, but not exactly a disaster. Still plenty of bottled water to drink, the toilets will still work and plenty of chemical stuff to wash hands with.
No big deal in the end.
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In the case of the Gimli Glider (Air Canada143), the computer simply displayed the amount entered. There was no correlation to the actual fuel level in the tanks. A metric conversion error led them to running out of fuel halfway to their destination.
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But IIRc the FQIS (fuel quantity information system) was broken/faulty too. And this issue was known before flight.
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Not having potable water in the tanks is yucky.
Not having fuel in the tanks is a safety-of-flight issue.
Again, the pilots here will correct me if I'm wrong, but I rather suspect that the detail of the procedures for fuel are commensurate to its importance.
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The tone of discussion in this thread needs to be taken down a couple of notches.
I haven’t read anyone trying to excuse the lack of water on the flight. Clearly, if it needs stating directly, this was v poor and unacceptable.
What we don’t have (if I recall the full thread correctly) is a concrete reason for the lack of water. We would need to know this before speculating if there is any read-across to other checks, procedures etc.
I haven’t read anyone trying to excuse the lack of water on the flight. Clearly, if it needs stating directly, this was v poor and unacceptable.
What we don’t have (if I recall the full thread correctly) is a concrete reason for the lack of water. We would need to know this before speculating if there is any read-across to other checks, procedures etc.
I'd be interested to know when the lack of water was discovered...on the ground or in the air? If on the ground and given the choice I would have flown instead of being offloaded. The tea and coffee is usually poor anyway and as a hiker and biker I can go for days without washing.
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The one that worries me is the Emirates 777 from just before Christmas…I’ve heard several quite shocking things from my FC friends, but the report will make some genuinely worrying reading, I suspect, because it will likely highlight the weakest part of any aircraft safety system: the humans!