A321neo for a five hour flight?
Mar 27, 2022, 2:33 pm
#16
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Price and time wise much better option than messing around with a Doha transfer. No chance QR would be anywhere near the Ł400 mark either
Mar 27, 2022, 4:45 pm
#17
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We in the US do this all the time. 5 - 6+ hours transcon, west coast to Hawaii and even to South America from Texas and Miami. I guess the difference would be that we have better domestic first class seats than the Euro Business stuff used in Europe. While doing 3+ hours in say economy plus is doable but I've done 3+ hours from SCL - Punta Arenas on Sky Airlines and it was MISERABLE, and this was in one of their more legroom seats. It really depends on the seats the airlines are using in the aircraft that can make or break long flights in narrow body aircraft. If your feeling the metal frame bite into your butt and the back of your legs even 1 hour is going to be unbearable vs a seat with full bottom cushion.
Mar 27, 2022, 5:32 pm
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BA used to fly Dreamliners on this route. It‘s over 2000 miles but equipment and service has been downgraded from Club World to Club Europe. Despite the flight distance, only 80TP instead of the previous 140TP. I will not fly it any more. MS offers a direct long-haul product. RJ and QR have indirect long-haul service but not always immediate onward connections. BA Business fares did initially decrease after the service downgrade but recently have increased to near previous levels. I won‘t pay it. Especially not at current service standards.
Mar 27, 2022, 5:44 pm
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BA used to fly 744s on the route.
We used to fly F until the schedule made it unappealing and they downgraded the aircraft.
Frankly, I would fly QR, EK or EY. Don’t fly MS unless you’re interested in building character.
We used to fly F until the schedule made it unappealing and they downgraded the aircraft.
Frankly, I would fly QR, EK or EY. Don’t fly MS unless you’re interested in building character.
Mar 27, 2022, 6:39 pm
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I think that taking detours , such as going to over double the distance like DOH and then back again is mad and would take a nonstop ; I cannot see much value in taking BA's Club Europe when MS is offering a proper business class, also non stop
Mar 27, 2022, 8:36 pm
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BA's short-haul Business Class seats have 30" seat pitch.
I'm six feet tall; for a five-hour flight, I'd sooner take an exit-row seat in BA Euro Traveler (short-haul Economy), than a seat in BA short-haul Business Class.
Royal Air Maroc via CMN is another oneworld option between LON and CAI.
Mar 27, 2022, 9:47 pm
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AA's standard Economy Class seat has 31" seat pitch; with elite status, Main Cabin Extra seats -- with extra leg room -- are free.
BA's short-haul Business Class seats have 30" seat pitch.
I'm six feet tall; for a five-hour flight, I'd sooner take an exit-row seat in BA Euro Traveler (short-haul Economy), than a seat in BA short-haul Business Class.
BA's short-haul Business Class seats have 30" seat pitch.
I'm six feet tall; for a five-hour flight, I'd sooner take an exit-row seat in BA Euro Traveler (short-haul Economy), than a seat in BA short-haul Business Class.
Mar 27, 2022, 10:02 pm
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AA's standard Economy Class seat has 31" seat pitch; with elite status, Main Cabin Extra seats -- with extra leg room -- are free.
BA's short-haul Business Class seats have 30" seat pitch.
I'm six feet tall; for a five-hour flight, I'd sooner take an exit-row seat in BA Euro Traveler (short-haul Economy), than a seat in BA short-haul Business Class.
Royal Air Maroc via CMN is another oneworld option between LON and CAI.
BA's short-haul Business Class seats have 30" seat pitch.
I'm six feet tall; for a five-hour flight, I'd sooner take an exit-row seat in BA Euro Traveler (short-haul Economy), than a seat in BA short-haul Business Class.
Royal Air Maroc via CMN is another oneworld option between LON and CAI.
Mar 28, 2022, 12:12 am
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What I don't get is why does BA and other EU carriers not make the front say 10 rows main cabin extra / economy plus ala American and United. With their movable curtains, they have the opportunity to make those seats Euro Business and if there are leftovers sell it as "World Traveler Extra" or something along those line. Having seen some of the old school pictures and adverts of TWA, Pan Am, American and United, "Euro Business" was something they had on their narrow and wide bodies before changing to the big recliners that we are used to today.
Mar 28, 2022, 12:17 am
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What I don't get is why does BA and other EU carriers not make the front say 10 rows main cabin extra / economy plus ala American and United. With their movable curtains, they have the opportunity to make those seats Euro Business and if there are leftovers sell it as "World Traveler Extra" or something along those line. Having seen some of the old school pictures and adverts of TWA, Pan Am, American and United, "Euro Business" was something they had on their narrow and wide bodies before changing to the big recliners that we are used to today.
Last edited by Tobias-UK; Mar 28, 2022 at 12:22 am
Mar 28, 2022, 12:58 am
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