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Old Mar 15, 2022, 6:58 pm
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BA-AY Minimum Connection Time at BUD
Hi all,
First time using ExpertFlyer to check/validate Minimum Connection Times (MCT), whilst there is a legend listed below any search result on EF, it doesn't explain all of them. Essentially I am trying to see if a 1 hour 10 minutes connection time from LHR-BUD-HEL (BA - AY) is legal/valid (of course assuming issued on single ticket/PNR). This is the result that comes up on ExpertFlyer:

Minimum Connect Times:
Connecting at BUD
Incoming airline BA
Outgoing airline AY
Flight type International to International

STANDARD.D/D...D/I...I/D...I/I.
ONLINE .30 1.00 1.30 1.30
OFFLINE .30 1.00 1.30 1.30
** OR * ARE ALL
**-** II GLSUP CDS AA - 2D
**-** II GLSUP CDS AA - 2Z
**-** II GLSUP CDS 2D - AA
**-** II GLSUP CDS 2Z - AA
**-** II GLSUP CDS AD - AA
**-** II GLSUP CDS AR - AA
**-** II GLSUP CDS BC - AA
**-** II GLSUP CDS BT - AA
**-** II GLSUP CDS D8 - AA
**-** II GLSUP CDS DY - AA
**-** II GLSUP CDS EK - AA
**-** II GLSUP CDS EW - AA
**-** II GLSUP CDS F9 - AA
**-** II GLSUP CDS H2 - AA
**-** II GLSUP CDS HX - AA
**-** II GLSUP CDS KC - AA
**-** II GLSUP CDS MX - AA
**-** II GLSUP CDS NK - AA
**-** II GLSUP CDS O2 - AA
**-** II GLSUP CDS PC - AA
**-** II GLSUP CDS PD - AA
**-** II GLSUP CDS QS - AA
**-** II GLSUP CDS RO - AA
**-** II GLSUP CDS SY - AA
**-** II GLSUP CDS TR - AA
**-** II GLSUP CDS TS - AA
**-** II GLSUP CDS UX - AA
**-** II GLSUP CDS VA - AA
**-** II GLSUP CDS VB - AA
**-** II SUP CDS VY - AA
**-** II GLSUP CDS W6 - AA
**-** II GLSUP CDS XP - AA
**-** II GLSUP CDS Y4 - AA
**-** II GLSUP CDS AA - AR
**-** II GLSUP CDS AA - BC
**-** II GLSUP CDS AA - BT
**-** II GLSUP CDS AA - D8
**-** II GLSUP CDS AA - DY
**-** II GLSUP CDS AA - EK
**-** II GLSUP CDS AA - EW
**-** II GLSUP CDS AA - F9
**-** II GLSUP CDS AA - H2
**-** II GLSUP CDS AA - KC
**-** II GLSUP CDS AA - MX
**-** II GLSUP CDS AA - O2
**-** II GLSUP CDS AA - PC
**-** II GLSUP CDS AA - PD
**-** II GLSUP CDS AA - QS
**-** II GLSUP CDS AA - RO
**-** II GLSUP CDS AA - SY
**-** II GLSUP CDS AA - TR
**-** II GLSUP CDS AA - UX
**-** II GLSUP CDS AA - VA
**-** II GLSUP CDS AA - VB
**-** II GLSUP CDS AA - W6
**-** II GLSUP CDS AA - XP
**-** II GLSUP CDS AA - Y4
**-** II GLSUP EUR CDS N/A - TR ALL - SIN
**-** II .40 TRM 2A - 2A
**-** II .40 TRM 2B - 2A
**-** II .40 TRM 2A - 2B
**-** II .40 TRM 2B - 2B
So whilst it does say the standard is 1 hour 30 mins for International - International, it says 40 mins for terminal 2B - 2B as an exception, which, from what I understand, would mean my proposed connection is valid. But then what do the codes GLSUP, CDS etc mean? Have I totally be misinterpreting this? Sorry, still learning and trying to get round ExpertFlyer. Have tried googling but haven't had much luck.

Thanks in advance
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Old Mar 15, 2022, 7:17 pm
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Have you tried a dummy booking for the trip you want to make? If it's not a valid connection due to minimum times it won't be offered to you. If it's a valid connection then you should see it as an option.

Looking at ExpertFlyer I would agree with you that it looks like it ought to be a valid connection as the flights both arrive and depart from 2B. I'm not sure what GLSUP means but I've heard reference to CDS as Codeshare but I don't know whether that's right either.
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Old Mar 15, 2022, 7:20 pm
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Is this bookable as one ticket?

Yes I would read it as 40 mins if it's a 2B>2B connection on one ticket.
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Old Mar 15, 2022, 7:21 pm
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Originally Posted by golfmad
Have you tried a dummy booking for the trip you want to make? If it's not a valid connection due to minimum times it won't be offered to you. If it's a valid connection then you should see it as an option.

Looking at ExpertFlyer I would agree with you that it looks like it ought to be a valid connection as the flights both arrive and depart from 2B. I'm not sure what GLSUP means but I've heard reference to CDS as Codeshare but I don't know whether that's right either.
Well it doesn't appear on say Google Flights, mainly trying to see if I could book this as an award ticket or potentially a revenue ticket via a travel agent. I have spoken to 2 TAs I know, one seems to suggest they can ticket it and 55 mins is the MCT (I have no clue where they got that from) and another is saying they can't ticket it as their system shows MCT as 1.5 hours (which at least matches the "standard" MCT for International - International). So hence why I've come here to see if anyone else can decipher. I wouldn't be doing this as a self-connect under any circumstance anyway.

Essentially this is a part of a broader trip I'm planning, so it's not just me trying to be wacky and travelling to HEL via BUD for the fun of it lol!
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Old Mar 15, 2022, 7:29 pm
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Originally Posted by KARFA
Is this bookable as one ticket?
Not on a standard Google Flights/ITA Matrix/Skyscanner search. However, it doesn't even show up with the combination of the later BUD-HEL which would have a connection time of approx 8 hours. So I just put that down to possibly neither AY or BA being able to sell this route themselves. However, of course with TAs and also as reward bookings, I know you can mix and match OW carriers, but essentially wanting to know if I can get this ticketed whilst ensuring it's MCT compliant. Of course, I could take the TA's word for it that did say it's bookable (curiously indicating MCT of only 55 mins) but I don't want to then have a situation where I turn up at the airport and the check-in systems don't allow it or something...hence the research and wish to get broader expertise from the hive here

Curiously, when searching it as a "multi-city" on BA's website (ie. splitting it as LHR - BUD and BUD - HEL in the multi-city search), it shows up with a result of LHR-BUD-LHR-HEL, with only 50 mins connection!
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Old Mar 15, 2022, 8:35 pm
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It is bookable with two fully flex fares that allow end to end combos onto one ticket

unfortunately none of the lhr hel fares allow lhr bud hel routing within 1 fare price
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Old Mar 15, 2022, 8:40 pm
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Originally Posted by nufnuf77
It is bookable with two fully flex fares that allow end to end combos onto one ticket

unfortunately none of the lhr hel fares allow lhr bud hel routing within 1 fare price
So on that basis, the 1 hour 10 mins should be a valid minimum connection then in this scenario?
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Old Mar 16, 2022, 8:55 am
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Any travel agent or someone with GDS experience able to kindly cross-check this for me please? Thanks.
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Old Mar 16, 2022, 12:06 pm
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Originally Posted by AirbusA350
Any travel agent or someone with GDS experience able to kindly cross-check this for me please? Thanks.
What date, and I can book and verify in seconds? Picked some random dates and didn't get a 1H10 conx.
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Old Mar 16, 2022, 12:10 pm
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What date, and I can book and verify in seconds? Picked some random dates and didn't get a 1H10 conx.
Thanks very much. I was looking at June 14th
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Old Mar 16, 2022, 12:25 pm
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Originally Posted by AirbusA350
June 14th
You're welcome! Looks good to me:

Code:
1 BA 866 J 14JUN 2 LHRBUD DK1 0715 1050 14JUN E 0 320 M
2 AY1252 J 14JUN 2 BUDHEL DK1 1200 1520 14JUN E 0 E90 OC
OPERATED BY NORDIC REGIONAL AIRLINES

>DMI
ITINERARY OK

>DM1/2

BUD-BUD FROM - TO
CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQP TM CS-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQP TM CS HHMM
2B - 2B I/I:0040
ACTUAL CONNECTING TIME IS 0110

That's Amadeus looking specifically at the MCT for those flights as booked.
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Old Mar 16, 2022, 12:36 pm
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Originally Posted by JAXBA
You're welcome! Looks good to me:

Code:
1 BA 866 J 14JUN 2 LHRBUD DK1 0715 1050 14JUN E 0 320 M
2 AY1252 J 14JUN 2 BUDHEL DK1 1200 1520 14JUN E 0 E90 OC
OPERATED BY NORDIC REGIONAL AIRLINES

>DMI
ITINERARY OK

>DM1/2

BUD-BUD FROM - TO
CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQP TM CS-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQP TM CS HHMM
2B - 2B I/I:0040
ACTUAL CONNECTING TIME IS 0110

That's Amadeus looking specifically at the MCT for those flights as booked.
Thank you so much. I am grateful and puts my mind at rest. If you don't mind and to avoid bombarding the public forum with further queries, I have sent you a PM. I hope that's ok. Thanks once again
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