What the hecks going on with Taxes & Fees?
Mar 27, 2022, 3:51 am
#76
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Thailand
Programs: BA Silver (OWS), OZ Diamond (*G), TK Elite (*G), HH Diamond, Marriott Gold
Posts: 361
Booked MLE-LHR-CDG one way in CW using Avios and used an expiring GUF2 to upgrade to F. 142k avios and ~920€ in taxes and fees for the two of us. Now noticed that I could save 12k Avios and 400€ if opting for QR QSuites the whole way. I get that BA F can be as good as (or even sometimes better) than Qsuites but if you take the GUF upgrade out of the equation I would guess not many people would opt for BA CW vs. Qsuites and pay significantly more for the privilege.
Mar 27, 2022, 5:46 am
#77
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Stirling, Scotland
Programs: Amex Centurion - BA Silver - IHG Diamond Elite - HHonors Diamond - M&M
Posts: 2,013
Forget taxes, Availability in F seems non existent.
Just done a search to USA cities over the next year and can't see anything, maybe it's the way I'm searching.
Just done a search to USA cities over the next year and can't see anything, maybe it's the way I'm searching.
Mar 27, 2022, 10:23 am
#78
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Paris
Programs: AA LT Plat (4m+), AF Plat, A3 Gold, Hyatt Globalist, Marriott Plat, IHG Plat/Ambassador
Posts: 2,645
Mar 28, 2022, 12:42 am
#79
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: The North
Posts: 1,844
Out of curiosity, is there a summary anywhere of the typical/average ex-UK TFC for different groups of destinations (eg North America, Canada, South Africa, etc). Or are they so varied that this would get really complicated very quickly?
I’m assuming that one doesn’t account for ex-INV or JER.
The reason I ask is that I now have a stash of 3 Companion Vouchers (2 old style, one new), and would like to try to use them efficiently when certain cash prices are so low. That involves balancing various factors including seat (and traveller!) availability, cash prices, and TFC.
I’m assuming that one doesn’t account for ex-INV or JER.
The reason I ask is that I now have a stash of 3 Companion Vouchers (2 old style, one new), and would like to try to use them efficiently when certain cash prices are so low. That involves balancing various factors including seat (and traveller!) availability, cash prices, and TFC.
Mar 28, 2022, 3:49 am
#80
Join Date: Nov 2004
Programs: BA GGL, LH FTL
Posts: 3,577
Out of curiosity, is there a summary anywhere of the typical/average ex-UK TFC for different groups of destinations (eg North America, Canada, South Africa, etc). Or are they so varied that this would get really complicated very quickly?
I’m assuming that one doesn’t account for ex-INV or JER.
The reason I ask is that I now have a stash of 3 Companion Vouchers (2 old style, one new), and would like to try to use them efficiently when certain cash prices are so low. That involves balancing various factors including seat (and traveller!) availability, cash prices, and TFC.
I’m assuming that one doesn’t account for ex-INV or JER.
The reason I ask is that I now have a stash of 3 Companion Vouchers (2 old style, one new), and would like to try to use them efficiently when certain cash prices are so low. That involves balancing various factors including seat (and traveller!) availability, cash prices, and TFC.
£56 for LHR
£185 APD
Foreign taxes ranging from very little to ~£70
and then the big whopper is YQ
North America £700
China/Japan £300-£400
Sydney £714
Rest of world £500-£600
I assume China/Japan will follow the rest of world trend once meaningful flights resume.
The funny thing is that once you get to the final booking screen US flights (and maybe others?) drop by about £150 below the above numbers, but this only becomes clear at the very final payment stage. So probably a BA.com issue.
Mar 28, 2022, 5:35 am
#81
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 1,167
Booked MLE-LHR-CDG one way in CW using Avios and used an expiring GUF2 to upgrade to F. 142k avios and ~920€ in taxes and fees for the two of us. Now noticed that I could save 12k Avios and 400€ if opting for QR QSuites the whole way. I get that BA F can be as good as (or even sometimes better) than Qsuites but if you take the GUF upgrade out of the equation I would guess not many people would opt for BA CW vs. Qsuites and pay significantly more for the privilege.
Mar 28, 2022, 7:19 am
#82
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: The North
Posts: 1,844
It's relatively straightforward: Assuming J/F rtn you pay
£56 for LHR
£185 APD
Foreign taxes ranging from very little to ~£70
and then the big whopper is YQ
North America £700
China/Japan £300-£400
Sydney £714
Rest of world £500-£600
I assume China/Japan will follow the rest of world trend once meaningful flights resume.
The funny thing is that once you get to the final booking screen US flights (and maybe others?) drop by about £150 below the above numbers, but this only becomes clear at the very final payment stage. So probably a BA.com issue.
£56 for LHR
£185 APD
Foreign taxes ranging from very little to ~£70
and then the big whopper is YQ
North America £700
China/Japan £300-£400
Sydney £714
Rest of world £500-£600
I assume China/Japan will follow the rest of world trend once meaningful flights resume.
The funny thing is that once you get to the final booking screen US flights (and maybe others?) drop by about £150 below the above numbers, but this only becomes clear at the very final payment stage. So probably a BA.com issue.
Mar 31, 2022, 4:05 am
#83
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Stirling, Scotland
Programs: Amex Centurion - BA Silver - IHG Diamond Elite - HHonors Diamond - M&M
Posts: 2,013
Can someone please explain this one for me, 6 seats EDI-LHR-MCO in Y for next year (06/02 out, 21/02 in)?
For a straight Avios booking I get:
360,000 (60k each) Avios + £150 each per person +Taxes shows as £0, Total £900.
If I switch to using 2 x 2-4-1 Vouchers in my account I then get.
130,000 Avios + £0.00 each per person + Taxes £319.78, Total £1,918.68.
Saving 230,000 Avios for around £1,000 which seems like a good idea.
Wouldn't normally consider any awards in Y but being Voucher and Avios a plenty something I'm looking at.
I can't figure out why the difference from Zero to lots of taxes.
For a straight Avios booking I get:
360,000 (60k each) Avios + £150 each per person +Taxes shows as £0, Total £900.
If I switch to using 2 x 2-4-1 Vouchers in my account I then get.
130,000 Avios + £0.00 each per person + Taxes £319.78, Total £1,918.68.
Saving 230,000 Avios for around £1,000 which seems like a good idea.
Wouldn't normally consider any awards in Y but being Voucher and Avios a plenty something I'm looking at.
I can't figure out why the difference from Zero to lots of taxes.
Mar 31, 2022, 4:11 am
#84
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 2,655
Can someone please explain this one for me, 6 seats EDI-LHR-MCO in Y for next year (06/02 out, 21/02 in)?
For a straight Avios booking I get:
360,000 (60k each) Avios + £150 each per person +Taxes shows as £0, Total £900.
If I switch to using 2 x 2-4-1 Vouchers in my account I then get.
130,000 Avios + £0.00 each per person + Taxes £319.78, Total £1,918.68.
Saving 230,000 Avios for around £1,000 which seems like a good idea.
Wouldn't normally consider any awards in Y but being Voucher and Avios a plenty something I'm looking at.
I can't figure out why the difference from Zero to lots of taxes.
For a straight Avios booking I get:
360,000 (60k each) Avios + £150 each per person +Taxes shows as £0, Total £900.
If I switch to using 2 x 2-4-1 Vouchers in my account I then get.
130,000 Avios + £0.00 each per person + Taxes £319.78, Total £1,918.68.
Saving 230,000 Avios for around £1,000 which seems like a good idea.
Wouldn't normally consider any awards in Y but being Voucher and Avios a plenty something I'm looking at.
I can't figure out why the difference from Zero to lots of taxes.
I would say its offering reward flight saver which would be a fixed fee instead of taxes?
Mar 31, 2022, 4:39 am
#85
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Stirling, Scotland
Programs: Amex Centurion - BA Silver - IHG Diamond Elite - HHonors Diamond - M&M
Posts: 2,013
Apr 25, 2022, 5:26 pm
#86
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 447
Any idea?
Apr 25, 2022, 11:47 pm
#88
Moderator: Hyatt Gold Passport & Star Alliance
Join Date: May 1998
Location: London, UK
Programs: UA-1K 3MM/HY- LT Globalist/BA-GGL/GfL
Posts: 12,075
My upgrade J->F using a GUF2 elicited a tax increase of £54. A week ago, it had been less than £20 and so waived by the call centre.
Apr 26, 2022, 12:30 am
#89
Join Date: Nov 2004
Programs: BA GGL, LH FTL
Posts: 3,577
I just made a post about this here: WT+ to CW upgrade using Avios - which tax/charge difference?
Any idea?
Any idea?
