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Old Feb 25, 2022, 4:18 am
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Originally Posted by allturnleft
Has no-one in the EU followed suit re banning of russian aircraft?
Not that I’m aware of but I only did a limited search. It would be interesting if the UK ban had included British Overseas Territories because more than a few of the Aeroflot fleet is registered in Bermuda.
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 4:44 am
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It's the "Russia said the move was a response to "the unfriendly decisions by the UK aviation authorities"." - as if the Russian invasion of Ukraine was 'friendly'?
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 4:47 am
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Originally Posted by CirrusDesAigles
BA5/6 seems to be cancelled for the foreseeable. Guessing enough capacity on the JAL flights for the time being.
Tokyo can just about be made nonstop going along the old 70s/80s route of London-Alaska-Japan, roughly 7,700 miles vs ~6000 nonstop
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 5:01 am
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BA10 from BKK to LHR looks like it’s diverting south today, planned flight path was over Russia. It took off prior to the ban.

QF2 from LHR to DRW appears to still be following its planned track over Russia.
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 6:26 am
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EU-SIN will often follow the ME tracks until near Turkey the head off towards India, cross over DEL, cross the northern part of the Bay of Bengal and come down that way.
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 6:32 am
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Originally Posted by allturnleft
Has no-one in the EU followed suit re banning of russian aircraft?
Poland is supposedly working on it.
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 6:36 am
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Originally Posted by allturnleft
Has no-one in the EU followed suit re banning of russian aircraft?
Poland just announced it - I expect we will hear more today.
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 6:40 am
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Mauritius seems like a perfect spot for a fuel stop from Europe to Australia. How does the GC distance compare vs LHR-SIN-SYD or LHR-HKG-SYD?
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 6:52 am
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Originally Posted by eagle4121
Mauritius seems like a perfect spot for a fuel stop from Europe to Australia. How does the GC distance compare vs LHR-SIN-SYD or LHR-HKG-SYD?
self help:

A map from Great Circle Mapper - Great Circle Mapper
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 7:09 am
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Originally Posted by eagle4121
Mauritius seems like a perfect spot for a fuel stop from Europe to Australia. How does the GC distance compare vs LHR-SIN-SYD or LHR-HKG-SYD?
well it’s a bit more complex than that. MRU is not capable to refuel so many aircraft. Lack of diversion on the MRU -SYD leg make it more difficult or in some cases impossible.
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 7:14 am
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Originally Posted by largeeyes
Poland is supposedly working on it.
Good on them.

A pity that this doesn't appear to have been coordinated at EU level - a ban over the whole of the EU would be a pretty powerful sanction.

It can be circumvented, sure, but will cause a lot of hassle for anything going westbound.

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Old Feb 25, 2022, 7:28 am
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Originally Posted by allturnleft
Has no-one in the EU followed suit re banning of russian aircraft?
Polish airspace will be closed to Russian airlines too.
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 7:35 am
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Originally Posted by IAN-UK
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A map from Great Circle Mapper - Great Circle Mapper
Via MRU is 11% longer than direct. Via Mumbai or Colombo is only about 3% longer while avoiding Russia and Ukraine

search for P=lhr-syd,lhr-icn-syd,lhr-mru-syd,lhr-sin-syd,lhr-bom-syd,lhr-del-syd,lhr-hkg-syd,lhr-CMB-syd,lhr-NKW-syd&MP=rect&DU=mi

For BA going to Japan, flying south of Russia (but overflying Khazakstan and Beijing) is significantly shorter than flying via Anchorage (and you can't go much further west than Anchorage without hitting Russian airspace). To China and Korea it's an even larger gap.

lhr-hnd,lhr-tzx-bak-icn-hnd,o:noext,lhr-anc-hnd

But from memory LHR-SIN tends to avoid Russia and Ukraine anyway.
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 10:07 am
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This screenshot taken seconds ago shows a huge counter-clockwise movement of air traffic around Ukraine. Many international flights are still flying through Russian airspace.

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Old Feb 25, 2022, 10:59 am
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Originally Posted by alexwuk
Tokyo can just about be made nonstop going along the old 70s/80s route of London-Alaska-Japan, roughly 7,700 miles vs ~6000 nonstop
Wouldnt the term 'direct" be more accurate if ANC is a "fueling stop" on the way. Unless I am missing something I thought (semantics) non-stop was a term reserved for wheels up to wheels down happening only once for a destination pair?

Last edited by psusaver; Feb 25, 2022 at 11:21 am Reason: Adjusting tone.
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