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Old Feb 22, 2022, 3:14 am
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Because of the scale of the disruption resulting from an IT system outage, most passengers should expect to make their own arrangements to mitigate the disruption as BA will not have resources to assist all passengers.

Your travel plans are probably in tatters, you should give BA a chance to fix things for you.

Firstly do not cancel or refund or credit to a voucher your ticket if this option exists as you effectively voluntarily cancel the contract for transportation with BA by doing so and hence end any right to claim for replacement transport, duty of care, or anything else.
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If BA.com is working, at least give it a go and see if Manage my Booking is giving you any sensible options. You don't have to take the option(s) presented if they do not meet your needs and you might be able to find better options yourself. However, not that by default BA will be only offering rebooking onto BA and any Joint-Ventre carriers and possible OneWorld partners. If there are no sensible options, document it (take a picture). Also try the BA app, it may work when the website doesn't, or vice versa. Take a screenshot of any errors you get when trying to log in or do anything reasonable.
Try calling the call centre. You probably won't get through in a sensible length of time, but document that you made several calls. Take a screenshot and save it.

If you have made reasonable attempts to contact BA and have not been able to do so, this now puts you in a strong position to organise your own onward travel arrangements, and to claim the difference from BA later. You need to act reasonably, choose travel arrangements that are similar where possible to what you had purchased from BA, and where possible you should document with photos or screen shots that the actions you are taking are reasonable, there are no other cheaper options. Even if you don't plan to use it for booking, use a comparison service to show current market costs for the transport you are choosing. BA should respond positively to customer service claims for the cost of onward transport where you can show that BA were unable to provide you timely assistance to rebook. You should do this bearing in mind what coverage you might have from your own travel insurance policy and whether your planned trip is salvageable or if it is entirely in vain and should be abandoned. Note that BA are not responsible for consequential costs beyond their initial contract for transport, but any insurance you may have could be.
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BA have a duty of care under the UK successor to EU Regulation 261/2004 and based upon forum experience the following costs would usually be claimable from BA without any significant pushback.

Ł25 for reasonable meal/refreshment expenses (per adult per day)
2 reasonable phone calls per customer

If an overnight stay is required in a location a significant distance from your home address
Ł200 for a hotel room (for 2 people)
Ł50 Transport to/from the airport (round trip)

Although BA has suggested some guideline costs for duty of care as indicated above, EU Regulation 261/2004 doesn't specify any monetary cap. By documenting (take a screen capture of a hotel comparison site for example) that there were no cheaper alternatives, it is possible that claims exceeding the guideline costs suggested by BA may be met, but having additional evidence or justification for costs going over these limits would be sensible. Expenses not covered by BA may be claimable from your travel insurance subject to possible policy excesses.

Duty of care is separate from fixed sum compensation (EUR 250 to 600 depending on the flight distance) for flight delays/cancellations, which may or may not be payable under EU Regulation 261/2004 depending on whether BA can show that the flight delay was caused by 'extraordinary circumstances' and that it took 'all reasonable measures' to avoid the resulting delay. Also, airlines do not usually entertain claims for consequential losses (for example, the cost of prepaid accomodation which you can't now use), so you would need to look to your travel insurance for these costs.

EU Regulation 261/2004 does not cover delayed/damaged/lost baggage. The Montreal Convention sets an upper limit for delayed/damaged/lost baggage compensation. For more information, visit the BA.com webpage on delayed/damaged/lost baggage - see https://www.britishairways.com/en-gb...amaged-baggage

Set your expectation for the turnaround time for any refunds, claims, etc. It could be more like weeks rather than days, consider this if cashflow is concern.

You can read the forum thread for guidance on EU Regulation 261/2004 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...61-2004-a.html or check back on these forums later for more advice on claiming, but first of all look after yourself during this disruption.
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Old Feb 26, 2022, 8:16 am
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Originally Posted by Thdw
Are the current system problems known to be affecting the verification of COVID documents?

We are flying back to the UK tomorrow. In the past our documents have been verified in minutes but we have been waiting >6hrs today.
Returning from Cyprus yesterday, my PLF and vaccination certificate took about 17 hours, by which time they had been manually (and painlessly) verified at check-in…
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Old Feb 26, 2022, 9:02 am
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The joke of all of this - is that BA haven’t issued so much as a formal Tweet or email to customers to say they’re experiencing disruption and the options available to them.

Utterly ridiculous handling and will require some serious work from them to restore faith with customers, another email from Sean recognising loyalty won’t cut it.
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Old Feb 26, 2022, 9:23 am
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Originally Posted by Thdw
Are the current system problems known to be affecting the verification of COVID documents?

We are flying back to the UK tomorrow. In the past our documents have been verified in minutes but we have been waiting >6hrs today.
I returned from Madrid - flight cancelled the night before - last week they just checked my vaccine certificate and PLF at the gate. It takes seconds at the gate to manually check things!

Ryanair simply allow you to upload your vaccine certificate (which verifies immediately) when you check in and it gets printed out on the back of your boarding pass - or on the app pass. It takes seconds - and none of this verifly nonsense.

I flew out originally on Ryanair as the times worked out better - got a Ł50 seat to Spain including carry on bags and an emergency exit row seat (only cost Ł4 extra) plus paid 9 euro for a coffee and nice bacon sandwich. I was booked in business class on BA - got downgraded post my cancelled flight due to lack of business class seats to economy the next day. All I got in economy - a 50p breakfast bar and a bottle of water.

I am beginning to wonder whether paying five times as much to fly BA business class vs Ryanair really is worth it. At least the Ryanair website works.
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Old Feb 26, 2022, 9:40 am
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Originally Posted by MARTYM8
I returned from Madrid - flight cancelled the night before - last wek they just checked my vaccine certificate and PLF at the gate. It takes seconds at the gate to manually check things!

Ryanair simply allow you to upload your vaccine certificate (which verifies immediately) when you check in and it gets printed out on the back of your boarding pass - or on the app pass. It takes seconds - and none of this verifly nonsense.

I flew out originally on Ryanair as the times worked out better - got a Ł50 seat to Spain including carry on bags and an emergency exit row seat (only cost Ł4 extra) plus paid 9 euro for a coffee and nice bacon sandwich. I was booked in business class on BA - got downgraded post my cancelled flight due to lack of business class seats to economy the next day. All I got in economy - a 50p breakfast bar and a bottle of water.

I am beginning to wonder whether paying five times as much to fly BA business class vs Ryanair really is worth it. At least the Ryanair website works.
Sat at home after flying Easyjet this morning. Website worked, easy check in , very tidy A320, friendly staff, nice enough cup of coffee and 20 minutes into Luton which was empty and takes the same time to my house vs Heathrow without the M25 lottery. All for a very reasonable cost considering it was a late booking for a half term Saturday morning flight. I certainly wouldn't give BA a penny more than anyone else and it's getting to the point I'd prefer the reliability of Easyjet/ Ryanair anyway!
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Old Feb 26, 2022, 9:52 am
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Originally Posted by PJS Taylor
The ghost of Cruz lives on - and Doyle needs to live up to his promises made just a few short weeks ago. Very quickly.
LOL... Doyle isn't likely to live up to promises any more so than every previous CEO.

The amnesia in this forum is sometimes breathtaking. Many in this forum seem to endlessly believe that BA's great salvation is just the next CEO away...

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Old Feb 26, 2022, 10:00 am
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Hi

now in the ccr.
Left the hilton t4 at around 1600 took the 490 to t5. Straight up the elevators to departures with no issues. Terminal was relatively quiet with only one section having longish queues although tensa barriers were up including outside the first wing.
straight through to checkin and security.
In the ccr around 1645
Galleries f slightly busy snd did notice no jw blue ( only red and black)
Now awaiting my espresso martini which has just arrived and hs going down nicely.will switch to lips.

Regards
Tbs

A good number jf cancellations showing including my original destination of venice and a couple are hoping the only geneva flight still runs. England wales rugby is on the TV.



So far dubai is on time and will dine shortly on the terrace


Appreciate all the advice during the day. Had a relaxing time in the jr suite at the hilton before heading here

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Old Feb 26, 2022, 10:27 am
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Originally Posted by MARTYM8

I am beginning to wonder whether paying five times as much to fly BA business class vs Ryanair really is worth it. At least the Ryanair website works.
Unless in row 1 or an exit row, Ryanair currently also has more legroom than CE too.
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Old Feb 26, 2022, 10:28 am
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Back in to the app - not just using the bandwidth, I am actually supposed to be flying in a few days. Only the next few bookings are showing, with several missing, and those annoying screen-filling junk sectors (which have been refunded and/or moved long ago) now all say they are for travel on 1 Jan 1970!
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Old Feb 26, 2022, 10:28 am
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Cannot believe my luck on DOH-LGW last night, leaving only an hour late because of IT issues. Better than LHR-ARN a few days ago where we were three hours late because they had overloaded the plane and had to switch to a 320 from a 319. Not sure I entirely believed that excuse but does anyone believe anything that BA says nowadays?
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Old Feb 26, 2022, 10:38 am
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Originally Posted by scubadu
LOL... Doyle isn't likely to live up to promises any more so than every previous CEO.

The amnesia in this forum is sometimes breathtaking. Many in this forum seem to endlessly believe that BA's great salvation is just the next CEO away...

Regards
This song perfectly describes the relationship a lot of people on this forum have with BA -

Also it’s a tune .
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Old Feb 26, 2022, 10:44 am
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Originally Posted by lhrsfo
Better than LHR-ARN a few days ago where we were three hours late because they had overloaded the plane and had to switch to a 320 from a 319. Not sure I entirely believed that excuse but does anyone believe anything that BA says nowadays?
Actually lhrsfo I believe that’s true as by pure coincidence I recently flew with said Captain. If it’s the same flight, I believe the weather forecast around Stockholm wasn’t great with strong winds predicted. ARN is quite a long sector for an A319 and unless you use Skavsta as the alternate, the potential diversion options actually require quite a lot of extra fuel to be carried (GOT, HEL, CPH etc).

Of course, structurally the aircraft could’ve flown but all of the A319/320s in the BA fleet with the exception of one or two are artificially restricted in terms of weights to save on enroute navigational charges. Someone somewhere has crunched the numbers and decided it’s worth it. I think you just got unlucky with it being a full flight, lots of baggage and needing quite a lot of extra fuel.

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Old Feb 26, 2022, 10:56 am
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Originally Posted by Schwann
Don't worry folks, they've got someone on the case. Currently down at the data centre unplugging and replugging some wires.

I refuse to believe they are using fiber. I'm sure it's 10-Base2.
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Old Feb 26, 2022, 11:04 am
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I made a cash booking earlier to day with no problems. Now trying to do a relatively simple Avios redemption, but got "Sorry, we have been unable to complete your transaction at this time. We're sorry, we are unable to process your request. Please contact your local British Airways office." twice. Oh hold to GGL line for 30 minutes thus far.

The funny thing is that I don't know whether this is BA's IT system suffering from the outage, or "working" as normal.
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Old Feb 26, 2022, 11:38 am
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by Simon Calder writing in today’s The Independent (apols in advance if already posted)


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Old Feb 26, 2022, 1:59 pm
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Originally Posted by subject2load
by Simon Calder writing in today’s The Independent (apols in advance if already posted)


"Another BA systems failure will cost a fortune in compensation - and reputation"

At this point, what pray tell, reputation is left to damange?

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