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PUCCI GALORE Jan 26, 22 11:01 am


Originally Posted by DYKWIA (Post 33936341)
Err.... you do realise the lounges will be shared with AA? With all their early morning flights :D

Of course Dearest, but at that hour no one will notice me hob-mobbing with them. Theyíll all be so half Comorosís that they wonít realise that itís me. Itís so simple. I never wear the same colour lipstick when I fly American as opposed to BA k. I even change the brand from my customary Chanel as itís extortionately expensive.

Frankly if it is half a patch on the superb Flagship Lounge in Miami, you will have no complaints from me. Itís so Ritzy.

RB211 Jan 26, 22 11:17 am


Originally Posted by PUCCI GALORE (Post 33937576)
Of course Dearest, but at that hour no one will notice me hob-mobbing with them.
...

Is that where you sneak in on a flash-mob that you shouldn't be in? ;)

rb211

mmxbreaks Jan 26, 22 11:55 am

So no CCR, possible remote stands, probably disruption until it's done. I don't really see the BA customer benefit.

I do wonder if minimum connection time will be reduced, though, that could be useful...

But can't really judge until it's all done, eh? So sometime in 2023...

Prospero Jan 26, 22 12:38 pm

I am keeping my fingers crossed the new Premium Check-in will have its own fast track security lanes. The current Flagship Check-in arrangement while lovely deposits you at the end of the Priority security channel which in my experience is the slowest of all lanes at JFK T7. At the moment, if you want a quick security experience you need to purchase a TSA Pre✓ membership

TTmex Jan 26, 22 1:09 pm

I also wonder if this may open additional routes. Would AA consider direct Mex to Jfk flights now to tie in into easier transatlantic connections.

Fraser Jan 26, 22 1:16 pm


Originally Posted by xenole (Post 33934078)
Ah, BA's favourite premium experience of cramming as many status passengers onto a bus to take them to a remote gate......

From what I've heard the hardstands are just for parking aircraft that will be around for extended periods of time.

There isn't an intention to use remote stands for boarding and the aircraft will be put back on gates for boarding.

Genius1 Jan 26, 22 3:09 pm


Originally Posted by Irishtraveler (Post 33936440)
CCR will be a loss at JFK I personally have never been in this lounge but have been in CCR at LHR before.

I reviewed the JFK Concorde Room here: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trip...revisited.html

It's a delightful lounge, and the only 'original' Concorde Room in the network from where Concorde departed until 2003.

JALOO5-Flyer Jan 26, 22 9:41 pm


Originally Posted by 13901 (Post 33937000)
So two stands with jetty and 3 remotes vs, what, 12 on-pier with T7? Are AA/whoever does stand management in T8 going to give access to BA to "their" stands or will BA lose quite a large number of stands for their services?

If my memory served correctly, there will be a total of 5 new wide-body jet bridges, with some probably at the satellite, and 4 remote stands will be used mostly for parking (I was never bused to the aircraft in US airports). I assume early BA arrival equipments will be sent there and will likely be towed to gate once flight is ready.
BA also didn't need all 12 gates in T7 (and a fair share of them are AS and other users), and T8 was never at full capacity anyway, so adding 9 stands should suffice.

gcuk Jan 26, 22 11:58 pm

From memory, pre Covid Iíve seen BA 747s parked on remote stands at T7 at JFK but presumed it was just for overflow parking. Iíve never had a bus and steps story with BA at JFK.

DYKWIA Jan 27, 22 1:54 am

There are definitely bus gates at JFK - I've had one in the past. Not on BA mind.

Tafflyer Jan 27, 22 2:51 am


Originally Posted by zen100 (Post 33936315)
There are plenty of small items where BA give Golds (OWE), which AA do not give, to their own EXP or OWE, such as extra baggage for everyone on the booking, 4 bags in First, free seat selection for friends on other bookings, arrivals lounge access on long haul economy. I don't expect (or get) the same benefits on AA tickets.

Edit: All I ask is that AA treats me according to their commitment as part of the Oneworld alliance. And from my experience, they do.

Both airlines have strengths and weaknesses. I'd much rather be served by BA crew, generally, than AA crew, but if sat in Y as OWE they will give me a free drink and sandwich from the BOB menu. AA has better business class seating on short-haul than BA does. Yes, it's not First like they call it but it's better than the free-middle-seat rubbish we get in Europe from BA and others.
I like the AA seats more than the BA CW seats, even more than the CW suites, which I find myself hating due to limited foot space. And then there's the onboard temperatures that neither gets right. On a BA long-haul is like being in a sauna and on AA it's like being in a freezer.
But, you know, horses for courses and I'm glad we have a choice.

SpurMan Jan 27, 22 3:32 am


Originally Posted by Tafflyer (Post 33939650)
But, you know, horses for courses and I'm glad we have a choice.

It would be good if both AA and BA remembered that, and upped their standards accordingly. BCal's tagline should be their mantra: 'We never forget you have a choice'.

salut0 Jan 27, 22 6:31 am


Originally Posted by DYKWIA (Post 33939599)
There are definitely bus gates at JFK - I've had one in the past. Not on BA mind.

I thought I remembered a bus gate at JFK for AA but actually this was at LGA when they consolidated ex-US and AA operations into the main terminal, pre-renovation. Not sure if it even still exists or is still used? Discussed here;

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...l#post29175033

And details of busing here:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29177648-post28.html

PUCCI GALORE Jan 27, 22 9:48 am


Originally Posted by Prospero (Post 33937887)
I am keeping my fingers crossed the new Premium Check-in will have its own fast track security lanes. The current Flagship Check-in arrangement while lovely deposits you at the end of the Priority security channel which in my experience is the slowest of all lanes at JFK T7. At the moment, if you want a quick security experience you need to purchase a TSA Pre✓ membership

Really? Honey, when Iíve used Flagship checkin in Miami, someone escorted us to the top of the security line which was literally less that 20 metres away. One feels that one is entering a secluded sanctuary, I donít think that you need to worry.

crazyarmadillo Jan 27, 22 11:52 am

The flagship at jfk did offer the same as MIA.

I'm not pre check either, never had any need for my routes.

JFK you do , now did, I suppose, have to ask sometimes to be taken to the front . Not just the security guy at priority, , but straight to the scanner

Saved me quite a few connections.

There used to be a little, in height, AA lady (she's left now), if I'm allowed to say that, who was absolutely a delightful person, who even insisted helping with the trays for the scanner


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