I received the email for a specific booking in mid December where I will be going to JFK.
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It is strange that we are less than six months out and there has been no further update on the lounge/new lounge in T8? i'd have thought we'd see some marketing comms on that already. unless they figure the original release was sufficient.
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Originally Posted by VSLover
(Post 34362804)
It is strange that we are less than six months out and there has been no further update on the lounge/new lounge in T8? i'd have thought we'd see some marketing comms on that already. unless they figure the original release was sufficient.
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Is this timetable for closure looking firm, or given ongoing operational challenges in the airports, likely to slip?
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Originally Posted by skipness1E
(Post 34362849)
Is this timetable for closure looking firm, or given ongoing operational challenges in the airports, likely to slip?
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A total of 44 posts have now been removed, and others edited. It's been necessary to take a broad-brush approach to this, so apologies to those somewhat caught in the crossfire. Going forward, a little more concentration and a lot less snark would probably help us all. /mod |
Anyone heard any more updates on the move? We are only three months away from operations supposedly starting and I see only quite slow progress at T8 (although I’m always rushing through and never look very hard)
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Originally Posted by HFHFFlyer
(Post 34550198)
Anyone heard any more updates on the move? We are only three months away from operations supposedly starting and I see only quite slow progress at T8 (although I’m always rushing through and never look very hard)
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Originally Posted by tjcxx
(Post 34550534)
I'll try to remember to report back. I'm inbound T7 on Monday (29 Aug), and outbound T8 5th Sep.
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I flew in/out of JFK this week and asked both AA and BA staff what the latest on the love was. Both sides mentioned that 1 December is still on but they were not optimistic that it would stick.
The BA staff who has been working there for quite some time said that it’s been shocking at the lack of communication and that it doesn’t seem that a lot of operations staff have been involved in the decision making so there are concerns that things won’t work right. Also, the phrase ‘headless chickens’ was used… Other concerns raised was that BA would be drawfed by the sheer size of AA and it’s branding marginalised. |
Some websites have indicated that BA would complete moving to Terminal 8 at December 1, 2022.
To be honest, I am not optimistic about this change as when I was at JFK T8 2 weeks ago, there were no movements of construction visible other than some improvements at the check-in area and they still haven't started the construction of the additional gates that they are planning to build. For the lounge situation, I was at JFK FL and FFD on separate occasions and could report that the Flagship First Dining was quiet on a Friday afternoon ( mostly pax going to the UK since domestic F pax tend to arrive at the airport last minute ) but on multiple FL visits at different days, the lounge gets very crowded 2-3 hours before the AA Europe departure bank in the afternoon with difficulty finding a seat. Both djsflynn and OMAAT Lucky has mentioned about three new lounges ( at the respective websites - sources below ) but I didn't see any clear picture of them opening the lounges within the next 45 days when I was there. Yes, since AA is downscaling domestic operations at JFK, it makes sense to keep the Admirals Club C ( satellite terminal ) and convert the Admirals Club B ( next to the FL ) as an extension to the Flagship Lounge at this point but even at that case, the only lounges available at T8 would be an extended Flagship Lounge at the first point with a 20 table Flagship First Dining with the question of whether Emerald's getting the same lounge treatment as Sapphire's at the short term or would GGL's would be admitted to any premium lounge as ConciergeKey members. If someone has more insight, that would be truly appreciated. |
Originally Posted by ISTFlyer
(Post 34683333)
Some websites have indicated that BA would complete moving to Terminal 8 at December 1, 2022.
To be honest, I am not optimistic about this change as when I was at JFK T8 2 weeks ago, there were no movements of construction visible other than some improvements at the check-in area and they still haven't started the construction of the additional gates that they are planning to build. For the lounge situation, I was at JFK FL and FFD on separate occasions and could report that the Flagship First Dining was quiet on a Friday afternoon ( mostly pax going to the UK since domestic F pax tend to arrive at the airport last minute ) but on multiple FL visits at different days, the lounge gets very crowded 2-3 hours before the AA Europe departure bank in the afternoon with difficulty finding a seat. Both djsflynn and OMAAT Lucky has mentioned about three new lounges ( at the respective websites - sources below ) but I didn't see any clear picture of them opening the lounges within the next 45 days when I was there. Yes, since AA is downscaling domestic operations at JFK, it makes sense to keep the Admirals Club C ( satellite terminal ) and convert the Admirals Club B ( next to the FL ) as an extension to the Flagship Lounge at this point but even at that case, the only lounges available at T8 would be an extended Flagship Lounge at the first point with a 20 table Flagship First Dining with the question of whether Emerald's getting the same lounge treatment as Sapphire's at the short term or would GGL's would be admitted to any premium lounge as ConciergeKey members. If someone has more insight, that would be truly appreciated. |
Originally Posted by ISTFlyer
(Post 34683333)
Some websites have indicated that BA would complete moving to Terminal 8 at December 1, 2022.
To be honest, I am not optimistic about this change as when I was at JFK T8 2 weeks ago, there were no movements of construction visible other than some improvements at the check-in area and they still haven't started the construction of the additional gates that they are planning to build. For the lounge situation, I was at JFK FL and FFD on separate occasions and could report that the Flagship First Dining was quiet on a Friday afternoon ( mostly pax going to the UK since domestic F pax tend to arrive at the airport last minute ) but on multiple FL visits at different days, the lounge gets very crowded 2-3 hours before the AA Europe departure bank in the afternoon with difficulty finding a seat. Both djsflynn and OMAAT Lucky has mentioned about three new lounges ( at the respective websites - sources below ) but I didn't see any clear picture of them opening the lounges within the next 45 days when I was there. Yes, since AA is downscaling domestic operations at JFK, it makes sense to keep the Admirals Club C ( satellite terminal ) and convert the Admirals Club B ( next to the FL ) as an extension to the Flagship Lounge at this point but even at that case, the only lounges available at T8 would be an extended Flagship Lounge at the first point with a 20 table Flagship First Dining with the question of whether Emerald's getting the same lounge treatment as Sapphire's at the short term or would GGL's would be admitted to any premium lounge as ConciergeKey members. If someone has more insight, that would be truly appreciated. https://viewfromthewing.com/the-brit...emium-lounges/ |
I have a BA flight shortly after mid-December and it's marked as departing from T8. I really, really hope so, as I'm connecting from AA LAX-JFK, I have just 1h30 between flights and I don't like to rush.
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Originally Posted by Lefly
(Post 34683509)
I have a BA flight shortly after mid-December and it's marked as departing from T8. I really, really hope so, as I'm connecting from AA LAX-JFK, I have just 1h30 between flights and I don't like to rush.
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Originally Posted by TravelingZoomer
(Post 34683944)
Even with precheck, 1 1/2 hour to go T8 to T7 seems awfully optimistic so doubt the would see you that ticket if they didn’t plan to have switched by then
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Originally Posted by VSLover
(Post 34683371)
i agree with you as i was thru JFK a half dozen times this last month and nothing indicated significant movement, so the onemileatatime post today was a surprise that it seems "full steam ahead" but was happy to learn the FFD was being replaced by a new dining facility that would presumably be a "CCR" for elibile pax on both AA and BA. i will miss the FFD at JFK because every time i've been thru over the years it is an empty, quiet haven. plus i dig the dark marble confines.
I suspect we're getting shunted in to the F lounge with its dining and not in to the replacement for CCR. There are references to the best lounge being for invite only tiers and First passengers. On asking BA I am told that the offering will have 'equivalent service' to the CCR. We shall see very soon! |
Originally Posted by Markie
(Post 34684492)
I think this is the challenge for CCR holders.
I suspect we're getting shunted in to the F lounge with its dining and not in to the replacement for CCR. There are references to the best lounge being for invite only tiers and First passengers. On asking BA I am told that the offering will have 'equivalent service' to the CCR. We shall see very soon! |
Originally Posted by RichieMc
(Post 34684502)
I read it differently. It’s a news article rather than an official press release. And it never mentions GGL one way or another. I’d be fall off my chair shocked if GGL doesn’t get access to the super fancy lounge.
Executive Traveller has been told this primo space will go all-out with a champagne bar, fireside lounge and à la carte dining room. In other words, it’ll be T8’s Concorde Room equivalent: a fully-fledged first class lounge restricted to passengers travelling in the top cabin, along with the likes of elite invitation-only programs such as British Airways Executive Club Premier, American Airlines ConciergeKey and Qantas Chairman’s Lounge." |
Originally Posted by Markie
(Post 34684508)
In other words, it’ll be T8’s Concorde Room equivalent: a fully-fledged first class lounge restricted to passengers travelling in the top cabin, along with the likes of elite invitation-only programs such as British Airways Executive Club Premier, American Airlines ConciergeKey and Qantas Chairman’s Lounge."
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Originally Posted by RichieMc
(Post 34684566)
Yes. I read the same article. And there’s some room for interpretation. If it’s a CCR equivalent then GGL would have access. Important to note that the part in bold is a quote from the article written by the journalist, not a quote from BA. And stuff like “the likes of” and “such as” don’t exclude GGL. They just don’t mention it. The author of one of the articles even said elsewhere he was waiting for a response from BA on precisely this question.
Once we have moved to Terminal 8 at JFK you will be able to use the lounges since you are a Gold Guest List member as long as your travelling on either a British Airways or One world partner operated service. We expect to be fully moved to Terminal 8 by the 1st December so after that the Concorde Room in Terminal 7 will not be open unfortunately. However in the new terminal there is some fantastic new lounges where you can expect the same service you received in the Concorde Room. I hope this clarifies. |
Originally Posted by ISTFlyer
(Post 34683333)
and they still haven't started the construction of the additional gates that they are planning to build.
Gates D1+D2 looked pretty much complete (there was one prefabricated part of the walkway on the ground, but not in place yet) when I passed through roughly a month ago. |
https://www.executivetraveller.com/n...jfk-terminal-8
Reading this article, sounded like a downgrade w/o the exclusivity of CCR. |
Originally Posted by Markie
(Post 34685086)
This is my reply from BA, highlighting is mine:
However in the new terminal there is some fantastic new lounges where you can expect the same serviceyou received in the Concorde Room. I hope this clarifies. |
Seems like they may have a distinct lounge section with CCR-type dining.
The ET article made it sound like the lounge redevelopments at T8 will lead to a special first class-only section/lounge where AA Concierge Key and BA Premiers are welcome along with first class flyers on eligible flights; a separate space for run-of-the-mill OWEs; and a separate space for OWSs. The users of the first of these could perhaps be set to have it’s own special designated dining section, whether or not in view of the dining for the run-of-the-mill OWEs. |
Originally Posted by Markie
(Post 34684492)
I suspect we're getting shunted in to the F lounge with its dining and not in to the replacement for CCR.
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part of me thinks they would never downgrade GGL at JFK with the removal of the CCR, but the other part of me thinks they could pull something like they did in SIN which does not provide access to GGL if not in F--that would stink.
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No mention of Club World pre-flight dining, which I think is an important part of BA's current offering.
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Originally Posted by camdentown
(Post 34685519)
No mention of Club World pre-flight dining, which I think is an important part of BA's current offering.
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Originally Posted by VSLover
(Post 34685400)
part of me thinks they would never downgrade GGL at JFK with the removal of the CCR, but the other part of me thinks they could pull something like they did in SIN which does not provide access to GGL if not in F--that would stink.
There is no reason to think GGL would not be able to use the CCR replacement. |
Originally Posted by El_Duderito
(Post 34685129)
Uh. Gates 14-16 from the existing terminal will be used. I assume they won't even rename those.
Gates D1+D2 looked pretty much complete (there was one prefabricated part of the walkway on the ground, but not in place yet) when I passed through roughly a month ago. However, no sign of the expansion of that area as the initial plan, they are not adding 5 more wide-body gates as they have originally announced to that area.
Originally Posted by Genius1
(Post 34685530)
3 lounges have been announced, which are broadly comparable to CCR / First / Club. The CCR and First lounge replacements are in a new location to the right of the walkway to Concourse C, and the Club lounge will occupy the space of the current AA Flagship and Admirals Club lounges to the left of the walkway to Concourse C. I suspect works to the latter will be reasonably minimal given AA's recent investment in these spaces.
There is no reason to think GGL would not be able to use the CCR replacement. In addition, from previous cases, I assume that they'll invite some media such as The Points Guy or some other bloggers ( like they always do ) to get a sneak peek of the facilities a few weeks before opening. |
When will we know the CCR dining arrangement? I am curious to see whats in stock for us :-)
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Originally Posted by ISTFlyer
(Post 34686369)
However, no sign of the expansion of that area as the initial plan, they are not adding 5 more wide-body gates as they have originally announced to that area.
There’s a comment on that site regarding only two gates being new. The scope of work provided by the construction company is very interesting: https://www.aroraengineers.com/proje...y-enhancement/ Gates 14 and 16 will be part of this new expansion and will be upgraded. This aligns with the various renderings. Two new gates D1 and D2 were built and should allow boarding from the lounges. Three 777-300 hardstands are added further east. Upgrading a few existing gates in the T8 satellite building to be 777-200 and 777-300 capable appears to be the overflow for delayed BA flights. Walking to gate 46 might be preferred over taking the bus for boarding, but catching a flight from gate 31 or 32 will be annoying. At least there is a normal AA lounge close to 46. |
JonNYC's
Curious if EXP/PPro will get to use the mid-tier Soho one under certain circumstances like international travel. Otherwise I'll be forever relegated to the bottom-most Greenwich lounge. And maybe visit Chelsea the once-a-decade I make my way into transcon first. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by A321T
(Post 34777156)
JonNYC's rumor about the new lounges' names is pretty fun. :D
Curious if EXP/PPro will get to use the mid-tier Soho one under certain circumstances like international travel. Otherwise I'll be forever relegated to the bottom-most Greenwich lounge. And maybe visit Chelsea the once-a-decade I make my way into transcon first. :rolleyes: I'd suggest using this one where this twitter post has been discussed in depth already https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...l#post34773761 |
I haven't seen this posted in this thread so if I've missed it and it's in there then I apologize.
The list of GGL benefits has been updated on the BA website and now includes access to the Chelsea Lounge without restriction provided you're flying on AA or BA. Here's an extract. It also includes the guesting policy which seems reasonable. You can also take advantage of our exclusive Chelsea lounge at New York JFK Terminal 8 when you fly with British Airways or American Airlines. Likewise, a guest may join you when you’re flying with either airline, or two guests when flying in First. (Passengers flying with other oneworld airlines are unable to access this lounge, but can enjoy our other two lounges). https://www.britishairways.com/en-us...-list-benefits This resolves the question of GGLs accessing the Chelsea when flying AA domestically which is excellent news. |
Originally Posted by golfmad
(Post 34793073)
I haven't seen this posted in this thread so if I've missed it and it's in there then I apologize.
The list of GGL benefits has been updated on the BA website and now includes access to the Chelsea Lounge without restriction provided you're flying on AA or BA. Here's an extract. It also includes the guesting policy which seems reasonable. You can also take advantage of our exclusive Chelsea lounge at New York JFK Terminal 8 when you fly with British Airways or American Airlines. Likewise, a guest may join you when you’re flying with either airline, or two guests when flying in First. (Passengers flying with other oneworld airlines are unable to access this lounge, but can enjoy our other two lounges). https://www.britishairways.com/en-us...-list-benefits This resolves the question of GGLs accessing the Chelsea when flying AA domestically which is excellent news. Thanks for posting. |
Originally Posted by golfmad
(Post 34793073)
I haven't seen this posted in this thread so if I've missed it and it's in there then I apologize.
The list of GGL benefits has been updated on the BA website and now includes access to the Chelsea Lounge without restriction provided you're flying on AA or BA. Here's an extract. It also includes the guesting policy which seems reasonable. You can also take advantage of our exclusive Chelsea lounge at New York JFK Terminal 8 when you fly with British Airways or American Airlines. Likewise, a guest may join you when you’re flying with either airline, or two guests when flying in First. (Passengers flying with other oneworld airlines are unable to access this lounge, but can enjoy our other two lounges). https://www.britishairways.com/en-us...-list-benefits This resolves the question of GGLs accessing the Chelsea when flying AA domestically which is excellent news. Also reports from the AA forum say the check-in is open and the lounge has press in it - https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...-open-jfk.html |
Thought I would <snip> the alcohol selection for the Chelsea.
Hoping we might see some changes pre-opening......!! :D https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...40685ce73b.jpg |
BA video with a glimpse of the lounges for anyone that hasn't seen it - https://mediacentre.britishairways.c...s/details/2106.
There's definitely a lack of fireplace. |
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