Club Europe for a 5:30hr flight LHR -AMM !
Oct 10, 2021, 9:34 am
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We call it "Club Economy" and on my last CE flight from CDG to LHR the couple in front went wild as they claim they paid for a First Class seat to USA, connecting in LHR and had to fly in this tiny seat.
For all its faults in soft product AA has a significantly better domestic product than BA
For all its faults in soft product AA has a significantly better domestic product than BA
Oct 10, 2021, 11:27 am
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Oct 10, 2021, 11:34 am
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Oct 10, 2021, 1:30 pm
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I did LHR-TFS last month that was timetabled at 4-4.5 hours, but with a good crew the flight literally flew by.
Hard product yes, soft product not even close! On a LHR-MAN I've had a meal and a few drinks, on an AA flight that was longer I got a soft drink and a packet of crisps.
Hard product yes, soft product not even close! On a LHR-MAN I've had a meal and a few drinks, on an AA flight that was longer I got a soft drink and a packet of crisps.
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Oct 11, 2021, 4:41 am
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RJ business on the LHR-AMM leg is a lovely product. Absolutely worth anything you can do to try and change the flight, and even worth a cost increase (if reasonable).
Oct 11, 2021, 5:18 am
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Another problem with AMM and CAI moving to SH is that this has led to a reduction from 140 TP in J to 80.
CAI has had some cracking F sale fares to HNL over the years making a Gold possible with one return journey.
CAI has had some cracking F sale fares to HNL over the years making a Gold possible with one return journey.
Oct 11, 2021, 6:31 am
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And as others mentioned, however disappointing this feels when one was used to the worldwide cabins, BA are more or less matching competition here. LH, AF, and most others tend to treat near east and north Africa destinations as Europe for all practical purposes. CAI used to be an exception, but these days there is neither enough traffic nor enough money to typically justify it, and whilst BA still idiosyncratically treat TLV as worldwide, this is an increasingly unusual situation compared to competition (LX used to treat TLV as long haul too but I'm not sure they still do given covid effects on numbers).
And as others mentioned, however disappointing this feels when one was used to the worldwide cabins, BA are more or less matching competition here. LH, AF, and most others tend to treat near east and north Africa destinations as Europe for all practical purposes. CAI used to be an exception, but these days there is neither enough traffic nor enough money to typically justify it, and whilst BA still idiosyncratically treat TLV as worldwide, this is an increasingly unusual situation compared to competition (LX used to treat TLV as long haul too but I'm not sure they still do given covid effects on numbers).
Oct 11, 2021, 6:32 am
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CAI used to be an exception, but these days there is neither enough traffic nor enough money to typically justify it, and whilst BA still idiosyncratically treat TLV as worldwide, this is an increasingly unusual situation compared to competition (LX used to treat TLV as long haul too but I'm not sure they still do given covid effects on numbers).
Oct 11, 2021, 7:16 am
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Interestingly, earlier this year AF adjusted their TLV services to all widebody. My sense is, at least in a non-COVID context, TLV is just a massive market compared to the others, with a reasonable amount of mid/high value business travel, including connections to North America and lots of competition. I’m guessing that explains the TLV strategy.
Oct 11, 2021, 7:27 am
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Try and get a voucher and re-book onto an RJ codeshare. RJ is has a much better product, and having done that route in CE a few weeks ago it was not fun or value for money.You also seem to get way more tier points on that route with RJ than BA.
Oct 11, 2021, 9:38 am
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I think if the OP chose to travel he would be entitled to a partial refund. OP would probably have to sue in SCC. I know airlines have COC' s that don't guarantee the type of seat a court would look at what the purchaser could reasonably expect. So, a different type of Club World configuration is one thing, being switched from a club suite to Y seat with no AVOD is another.
It would be perfectly acceptable here for a court to override the COC and issue a partial refund. I went though something similar years ago when I booked a package with that included a five star resort. When we got to the hotel we found the place sill under construction with many amenities not available. The tour company said none of the advertised amenities were guaranteed in the contract. We sued and the court looked at the brochure photos compared to our photos and awarded us $ 1500 dollars each. It's up to the OP to decide what route to use
It would be perfectly acceptable here for a court to override the COC and issue a partial refund. I went though something similar years ago when I booked a package with that included a five star resort. When we got to the hotel we found the place sill under construction with many amenities not available. The tour company said none of the advertised amenities were guaranteed in the contract. We sued and the court looked at the brochure photos compared to our photos and awarded us $ 1500 dollars each. It's up to the OP to decide what route to use
Oct 11, 2021, 9:39 am
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Not actually that bad in any other CE row either but 4hrs would probably be my limit. I know the ex LON fares to AMM dropped when the route went from CW to CE but it would be interesting to know if in the OP's case starting beyond LHR whether the fares are any lower considering a third of the journey is now in an inferior seat to what they may have enjoyed previously.
