Oct 2, 2021, 12:05 pm
Last edit by: BAeuro
Gatwick Short-Haul Routes S22
New permanent LHR services (exLGW)
Algiers – Terminal 3
Bari – Terminal 3
Catania – Terminal 5
Dubrovnik – Terminal 5
Funchal – Terminal 5
Heraklion – Terminal 5
Jersey – Terminal 5
Kos - Terminal 5
Lanzarote - Terminal 5 (Apr/May only)
Malta - Terminal 5 (Apr-Jun only)
Naples – Terminal 3
Paphos - Terminal 5
Porto - Terminal 3
Seville – Terminal 5 (Apr/May only)
Thessaloniki - Terminal 5
Tirana – Terminal 3
Remaining at LGW (On sale)
Bari
Catania
Dubrovnik
Heraklion
Kos
Lanzarote
Malta
Paphos
Seville
Thessaloniki
Amsterdam
Dalaman
Faro
Ibiza
Malaga
Marrakesh
Palma
Rhodes
Tenerife
Venice
Glasgow
Manchester
Alicante
Antalya
Bordeaux
Cagliari
Gran Canaria
Larnaca
Menorca
Nice
Turin
Verona
Milan Malpensa
Santorini
Athens
Berlin
Madrid
Remaining at LGW (Off sale)
Bilbao
Geneva
Genoa
Grenoble
Rome
Salzburg
Gatwick Short-Haul Routes W22
Moved to LHR
Algiers
Funchal
Jersey
Porto
Naples
Tirana
New permanent LHR services (exLGW)
Algiers – Terminal 3
Bari – Terminal 3
Catania – Terminal 5
Dubrovnik – Terminal 5
Funchal – Terminal 5
Heraklion – Terminal 5
Jersey – Terminal 5
Kos - Terminal 5
Lanzarote - Terminal 5 (Apr/May only)
Malta - Terminal 5 (Apr-Jun only)
Naples – Terminal 3
Paphos - Terminal 5
Porto - Terminal 3
Seville – Terminal 5 (Apr/May only)
Thessaloniki - Terminal 5
Tirana – Terminal 3
Remaining at LGW (On sale)
Bari
Catania
Dubrovnik
Heraklion
Kos
Lanzarote
Malta
Paphos
Seville
Thessaloniki
Amsterdam
Dalaman
Faro
Ibiza
Malaga
Marrakesh
Palma
Rhodes
Tenerife
Venice
Glasgow
Manchester
Alicante
Antalya
Bordeaux
Cagliari
Gran Canaria
Larnaca
Menorca
Nice
Turin
Verona
Milan Malpensa
Santorini
Athens
Berlin
Madrid
Remaining at LGW (Off sale)
Bilbao
Geneva
Genoa
Grenoble
Rome
Salzburg
Gatwick Short-Haul Routes W22
Moved to LHR
Algiers
Funchal
Jersey
Porto
Naples
Tirana
BA planning to launch ‘low-cost’ shorthaul subsidiary at Gatwick in 2022
Oct 7, 2021, 9:32 am
#616
Join Date: Apr 2012
Programs: BA Executive Club
Posts: 1,033
I believe BA management know that that the Gatwick slots are beneficial to them in the longer term.
Hopefully now the Gatwick short haul operation can turn a profit all year round rather than just in the lucrative summer months.
I am looking forward to hearing what BA has planned.
Wishing all involved well.
Hopefully now the Gatwick short haul operation can turn a profit all year round rather than just in the lucrative summer months.
I am looking forward to hearing what BA has planned.
Wishing all involved well.
Oct 7, 2021, 4:46 pm
#617
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: TPA
Programs: BA Silver; Hilton Gold; IHG Diamond Ambassador; Marriott Gold
Posts: 2,811
Oct 8, 2021, 1:17 am
#618
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 35
I've been getting interesting pilot feedback via the HfP articles.
Long and short is that the pilots seem to accept that BALPA has caved in but aren't willing to admit it. Absolutely no one likes the new deal. It is, very marginally, better than the original proposal which has given BALPA the excuse they needed for a ballot.
Considering that BALPA said 2 weeks ago that they wouldn't even consider putting new proposals to a vote because members have no faith in BA, it is a huge about turn.
Sean Doyle was apparently involved in the meeting where the new offer was made which was the first time anyone very senior had got involved. This made the BALPA people feel important and they agreed to the offer.
My feeling is that the pilots would be better off rejecting it, let easyJet buy the slots and then get better paying jobs with easyJet. The lure of the BA seniority list looms large though, a bit like a civil servant ploughing on the 20 years in the hope of a CBE. The idea that a newly recruited BA FO on an A320 will be flying an A380 in a few years for six figures seems about as likely as a new recruit at Deloitte becoming partner - certainly possible, but simply not happening for most and in many ways a ruse to encourage you to accept a rough deal early in your career.
Long and short is that the pilots seem to accept that BALPA has caved in but aren't willing to admit it. Absolutely no one likes the new deal. It is, very marginally, better than the original proposal which has given BALPA the excuse they needed for a ballot.
Considering that BALPA said 2 weeks ago that they wouldn't even consider putting new proposals to a vote because members have no faith in BA, it is a huge about turn.
Sean Doyle was apparently involved in the meeting where the new offer was made which was the first time anyone very senior had got involved. This made the BALPA people feel important and they agreed to the offer.
My feeling is that the pilots would be better off rejecting it, let easyJet buy the slots and then get better paying jobs with easyJet. The lure of the BA seniority list looms large though, a bit like a civil servant ploughing on the 20 years in the hope of a CBE. The idea that a newly recruited BA FO on an A320 will be flying an A380 in a few years for six figures seems about as likely as a new recruit at Deloitte becoming partner - certainly possible, but simply not happening for most and in many ways a ruse to encourage you to accept a rough deal early in your career.
Crikey, are you in the aviation business or is this just your opinion? I think a lot of the prp lads and lasses are quite happy to get back into their jobs. But oh wait a minute, they didn’t have the chance to vote 😳
Oct 8, 2021, 2:22 am
#619
Join Date: Sep 2021
Posts: 13
I've been getting interesting pilot feedback via the HfP articles.
Long and short is that the pilots seem to accept that BALPA has caved in but aren't willing to admit it. Absolutely no one likes the new deal. It is, very marginally, better than the original proposal which has given BALPA the excuse they needed for a ballot.
Considering that BALPA said 2 weeks ago that they wouldn't even consider putting new proposals to a vote because members have no faith in BA, it is a huge about turn.
Sean Doyle was apparently involved in the meeting where the new offer was made which was the first time anyone very senior had got involved. This made the BALPA people feel important and they agreed to the offer.
My feeling is that the pilots would be better off rejecting it, let easyJet buy the slots and then get better paying jobs with easyJet. The lure of the BA seniority list looms large though, a bit like a civil servant ploughing on the 20 years in the hope of a CBE. The idea that a newly recruited BA FO on an A320 will be flying an A380 in a few years for six figures seems about as likely as a new recruit at Deloitte becoming partner - certainly possible, but simply not happening for most and in many ways a ruse to encourage you to accept a rough deal early in your career.
Long and short is that the pilots seem to accept that BALPA has caved in but aren't willing to admit it. Absolutely no one likes the new deal. It is, very marginally, better than the original proposal which has given BALPA the excuse they needed for a ballot.
Considering that BALPA said 2 weeks ago that they wouldn't even consider putting new proposals to a vote because members have no faith in BA, it is a huge about turn.
Sean Doyle was apparently involved in the meeting where the new offer was made which was the first time anyone very senior had got involved. This made the BALPA people feel important and they agreed to the offer.
My feeling is that the pilots would be better off rejecting it, let easyJet buy the slots and then get better paying jobs with easyJet. The lure of the BA seniority list looms large though, a bit like a civil servant ploughing on the 20 years in the hope of a CBE. The idea that a newly recruited BA FO on an A320 will be flying an A380 in a few years for six figures seems about as likely as a new recruit at Deloitte becoming partner - certainly possible, but simply not happening for most and in many ways a ruse to encourage you to accept a rough deal early in your career.
Let’s hope the industry is back on its feet soon and this is one step toward normality for us all (I can’t wait for the day of no masks or ridiculously long box ticking announcements)
Oct 8, 2021, 2:47 am
#620
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Cheshire
Programs: BA, Accor, Hilton, ITA
Posts: 376
hear hear to that! Even on a Domestic from LHR to MAN I’m forced to be lectured about making sure I’ve filled in my UK PLF 🤷♂️ Some common sense now and again might just be in order.
Oct 8, 2021, 2:50 am
#621
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 2,345
Wonder when the PLF will go as its a pain. Letter in the Daily mail today about elderly cruise pax being in tears trying to fill it in and then struggling again at check in trying to show it.
Oct 9, 2021, 2:39 am
#622
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: London
Posts: 17,007
I must say it does feel like some of your sources and articles about this are heavily weighted toward a negative slant. My friends at BA paint a different picture so perhaps your sources may have a bit of an axe to grind? Not in any way a criticism of you just that sometimes the views we hear are from a self-selected band and if that’s their view then they’re seemingly in a big minority judging by the vote.
Let’s hope the industry is back on its feet soon and this is one step toward normality for us all (I can’t wait for the day of no masks or ridiculously long box ticking announcements)
Let’s hope the industry is back on its feet soon and this is one step toward normality for us all (I can’t wait for the day of no masks or ridiculously long box ticking announcements)
Oct 10, 2021, 1:17 pm
#624
Join Date: May 2012
Location: London & Penzance (UK)
Programs: BA Bronze, KrisFlyer Silver
Posts: 347
Is there any information about Turin flights moving to Heathrow? From the wiki it looks like they will be/have but I can’t see any for S22 on either Matrix or BA low flight finder.
(asking for a Eurovision enthusiast…)
(asking for a Eurovision enthusiast…)
Oct 10, 2021, 1:18 pm
#625
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: York, UK
Programs: BAEC Gold, Honors Diamond
Posts: 1,184
If it helps I'm still waiting for MLA next summer... got a cancellation that I want to move, but nothing loaded post June yet.
Oct 10, 2021, 1:39 pm
#626
Join Date: Sep 2019
Posts: 268
Ditton VRN which seems to end in March - ski season related presumably? Not asking for Eurovision purposes!
Oct 10, 2021, 4:11 pm
#627
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: London, UK
Programs: BAEC
Posts: 3,440
I had flights to BIO for next week, which got cancelled. I didn’t rebook and kept them open. Now the final rebooking date is approaching and BA have no flights to sale to BIO for S22….frustrating!
Oct 11, 2021, 12:04 am
#628
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Location: Istanbul, Turkey
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Oct 11, 2021, 12:13 am
#629
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 2,345
Is there any sign yet of flights at Gatwick being reinstated? Looking at Rhodes for next summer and the timetable is decimated.
Oct 11, 2021, 1:25 am
#630
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: UK
Programs: Tufty Club (Gold), BAGA Gymnastics level 4, 440yds swimming certificate
Posts: 2,533