Oct 2, 2021, 12:05 pm
Last edit by: BAeuro
Gatwick Short-Haul Routes S22
New permanent LHR services (exLGW)
Algiers – Terminal 3
Bari – Terminal 3
Catania – Terminal 5
Dubrovnik – Terminal 5
Funchal – Terminal 5
Heraklion – Terminal 5
Jersey – Terminal 5
Kos - Terminal 5
Lanzarote - Terminal 5 (Apr/May only)
Malta - Terminal 5 (Apr-Jun only)
Naples – Terminal 3
Paphos - Terminal 5
Porto - Terminal 3
Seville – Terminal 5 (Apr/May only)
Thessaloniki - Terminal 5
Tirana – Terminal 3
Remaining at LGW (On sale)
Bari
Catania
Dubrovnik
Heraklion
Kos
Lanzarote
Malta
Paphos
Seville
Thessaloniki
Amsterdam
Dalaman
Faro
Ibiza
Malaga
Marrakesh
Palma
Rhodes
Tenerife
Venice
Glasgow
Manchester
Alicante
Antalya
Bordeaux
Cagliari
Gran Canaria
Larnaca
Menorca
Nice
Turin
Verona
Milan Malpensa
Santorini
Athens
Berlin
Madrid
Remaining at LGW (Off sale)
Bilbao
Geneva
Genoa
Grenoble
Rome
Salzburg
Gatwick Short-Haul Routes W22
Moved to LHR
Algiers
Funchal
Jersey
Porto
Naples
Tirana
New permanent LHR services (exLGW)
Algiers – Terminal 3
Bari – Terminal 3
Catania – Terminal 5
Dubrovnik – Terminal 5
Funchal – Terminal 5
Heraklion – Terminal 5
Jersey – Terminal 5
Kos - Terminal 5
Lanzarote - Terminal 5 (Apr/May only)
Malta - Terminal 5 (Apr-Jun only)
Naples – Terminal 3
Paphos - Terminal 5
Porto - Terminal 3
Seville – Terminal 5 (Apr/May only)
Thessaloniki - Terminal 5
Tirana – Terminal 3
Remaining at LGW (On sale)
Bari
Catania
Dubrovnik
Heraklion
Kos
Lanzarote
Malta
Paphos
Seville
Thessaloniki
Amsterdam
Dalaman
Faro
Ibiza
Malaga
Marrakesh
Palma
Rhodes
Tenerife
Venice
Glasgow
Manchester
Alicante
Antalya
Bordeaux
Cagliari
Gran Canaria
Larnaca
Menorca
Nice
Turin
Verona
Milan Malpensa
Santorini
Athens
Berlin
Madrid
Remaining at LGW (Off sale)
Bilbao
Geneva
Genoa
Grenoble
Rome
Salzburg
Gatwick Short-Haul Routes W22
Moved to LHR
Algiers
Funchal
Jersey
Porto
Naples
Tirana
BA planning to launch ‘low-cost’ shorthaul subsidiary at Gatwick in 2022
Sep 30, 2021, 8:21 am
#496
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Sep 30, 2021, 8:23 am
#497
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There's a part of me that wonders why, if these flights are seemingly unprofitable as BA claims, that moving them to LHR will resolve the issue. Does switching the airport remove the price sensitivity and people will suddenly be happy paying it even though easyJet are £15 cheaper?
Sep 30, 2021, 8:23 am
#498
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My May flight from AGP to LGW was just moved to LHR. BA changed the airport and time without changing the flight number. The only reason I was alerted was that I had exit rows booked and they were changed. I wonder if they will try to argue that I can't get a refund/move my flight since the original booking doesn't show as cancelled?
My May flight from AGP to LGW was just moved to LHR. BA changed the airport and time without changing the flight number. The only reason I was alerted was that I had exit rows booked and they were changed. I wonder if they will try to argue that I can't get a refund/move my flight since the original booking doesn't show as cancelled?
Sep 30, 2021, 8:42 am
#500
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Posts: 1,032
Hopefully, Paphos and the Canary Islands will follow shortly. Feeling sad about all this. Irrational I know, but BA short haul Gatwick has been for many years part of many happy holidays. 
Long haul is looking like about about 6 or 7 based 777s this winter and up to 11 next Summer.
Hopefully they have not made, in my opinion, the same error as they did in 2008 when their reluctance to buy GB Airways allowed
EasyJet in to run wild!
Long haul is looking like about about 6 or 7 based 777s this winter and up to 11 next Summer.
Hopefully they have not made, in my opinion, the same error as they did in 2008 when their reluctance to buy GB Airways allowed
EasyJet in to run wild!
Sep 30, 2021, 8:51 am
#501
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I have used Heathrow over the years too, but, for me anyway, it never seemed as friendly as Gatwick. I always found the BA Gatwick staff landside and airside great too. I will miss it.
I appreciate BA Executive Club Flyertalk is Heathrow centric, and Gatwick has always been looked down on by some, but I am sure many will have some empathy for those who are feeling
disappointed and unsettled by the recent turn of events.
Best wishes.
I appreciate BA Executive Club Flyertalk is Heathrow centric, and Gatwick has always been looked down on by some, but I am sure many will have some empathy for those who are feeling
disappointed and unsettled by the recent turn of events.
Best wishes.
Sep 30, 2021, 8:54 am
#502
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There's a part of me that wonders why, if these flights are seemingly unprofitable as BA claims, that moving them to LHR will resolve the issue. Does switching the airport remove the price sensitivity and people will suddenly be happy paying it even though easyJet are £15 cheaper?
Sep 30, 2021, 9:04 am
#504
Join Date: Apr 2012
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Posts: 1,032
There's a part of me that wonders why, if these flights are seemingly unprofitable as BA claims, that moving them to LHR will resolve the issue. Does switching the airport remove the price sensitivity and people will suddenly be happy paying it even though easyJet are £15 cheaper?
This morning I did a dummy booking on EasyJet to Paphos next June. I included all the extras such as speedy boarding, food vouchers, assigned
extra leg room seat and luggage. Total cost £363 return which compares very favourably with CE. Even if I added the cost of a lounge experience at Gatwick and
Premium Security I would probably still be paying less. Plus flights are twice daily and the morning flight is great for an early afternoon arrival into Paphos.
For others happy to have the basic service a return fare of £230 would be appealing too.
Sep 30, 2021, 9:06 am
#505
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There's a part of me that wonders why, if these flights are seemingly unprofitable as BA claims, that moving them to LHR will resolve the issue. Does switching the airport remove the price sensitivity and people will suddenly be happy paying it even though easyJet are £15 cheaper?
2) Running one base is always cheaper
3) Running them from LHR will enhance the possibility of additional connecting traffic which can again add to their commercial appeal
Sep 30, 2021, 9:14 am
#506
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Location: London, UK
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Still nothing for a lot of the big sunshine destinations Malta, Paphos, Alicante, Lanzarote etc
Sep 30, 2021, 9:22 am
#507
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Posts: 1,032
A P Yu
When you say they won't all move to Heathrow do you mean they will just be dropped?
Heathrow will become a more expensive airport over time as it waits longer and longer for that elusive 3rd runway.
Most of the short haul Gatwick services were successful point to point in their own right and had very little connecting traffic.
I believe a substantial number of those passengers will continue to use Gatwick and other carriers.
I also find it discouraging that BA seems to lack ambition when it comes to expansion or even maintaining market share.
Over the years we have seen it withdraw from the regions and now short haul from the second largest UK airport. Fleet numbers have remained
more or less static over the years too.
It seems strange to me that EasyJet and Ryanair can fly some 300 UK based aircraft from airports UK wide successfully. Yes I know their cost base
may be lower but its still pretty impressive and costs alone can't explain everything. Maybe the strategic approach of BA needs also to examined.
When you say they won't all move to Heathrow do you mean they will just be dropped?
Heathrow will become a more expensive airport over time as it waits longer and longer for that elusive 3rd runway.
Most of the short haul Gatwick services were successful point to point in their own right and had very little connecting traffic.
I believe a substantial number of those passengers will continue to use Gatwick and other carriers.
I also find it discouraging that BA seems to lack ambition when it comes to expansion or even maintaining market share.
Over the years we have seen it withdraw from the regions and now short haul from the second largest UK airport. Fleet numbers have remained
more or less static over the years too.
It seems strange to me that EasyJet and Ryanair can fly some 300 UK based aircraft from airports UK wide successfully. Yes I know their cost base
may be lower but its still pretty impressive and costs alone can't explain everything. Maybe the strategic approach of BA needs also to examined.
Sep 30, 2021, 9:30 am
#508
Join Date: Apr 2012
Programs: BA Executive Club
Posts: 1,032
CE for some of those destinations are always large cabins.
I did a quick check on the BA online timetables and they are still showing as departing from Gatwick but not bookable. So they must be moving soon.
Sep 30, 2021, 9:37 am
#509
Join Date: Feb 2018
Programs: Mucci, BAEC Silver, IHG Platinum Elite
Posts: 1,037
A P Yu
When you say they won't all move to Heathrow do you mean they will just be dropped?
Heathrow will become a more expensive airport over time as it waits longer and longer for that elusive 3rd runway.
Most of the short haul Gatwick services were successful point to point in their own right and had very little connecting traffic.
I believe a substantial number of those passengers will continue to use Gatwick and other carriers.
I also find it discouraging that BA seems to lack ambition when it comes to expansion or even maintaining market share.
Over the years we have seen it withdraw from the regions and now short haul from the second largest UK airport. Fleet numbers have remained
more or less static over the years too.
It seems strange to me that EasyJet and Ryanair can fly some 300 UK based aircraft from airports UK wide successfully. Yes I know their cost base
may be lower but its still pretty impressive and costs alone can't explain everything. Maybe the strategic approach of BA needs also to examined.
When you say they won't all move to Heathrow do you mean they will just be dropped?
Heathrow will become a more expensive airport over time as it waits longer and longer for that elusive 3rd runway.
Most of the short haul Gatwick services were successful point to point in their own right and had very little connecting traffic.
I believe a substantial number of those passengers will continue to use Gatwick and other carriers.
I also find it discouraging that BA seems to lack ambition when it comes to expansion or even maintaining market share.
Over the years we have seen it withdraw from the regions and now short haul from the second largest UK airport. Fleet numbers have remained
more or less static over the years too.
It seems strange to me that EasyJet and Ryanair can fly some 300 UK based aircraft from airports UK wide successfully. Yes I know their cost base
may be lower but its still pretty impressive and costs alone can't explain everything. Maybe the strategic approach of BA needs also to examined.
Sep 30, 2021, 9:58 am
#510
Join Date: Apr 2012
Programs: BA Executive Club
Posts: 1,032
My final comments on this thread looking to the future for London Gatwick.
To be honest at least Gatwick Airport can move on now with airlines who are likely to stick around. They will have takers for the slots which will help them rebuild.
Jet Blue and Norse International are possible newcomers. Perhaps Jet2 would consider opening base of 5 or so aircraft. Other short/medium haul carriers will be
lining up, once the price increases at Heathrow kick in. Some long haul carriers will also find it tough at LHR.
Likewise, I can see BA increasing long haul presence with those marginal more point to point routes that will become less profitable at Heathrow as time goes on. Plus of
course seasonal extras that will become difficult to schedule at LHR as it becomes slot constrained once again in a couple of years.
Hopefully Emirates will be up to 3 a day within a year or so. Plus the return of Cathay and others. You never know Virgin and Delta may also turn up if Norse and Jet Blue
really take market share.
I am trying to be positive. Only hope BA have not made the same mistake as they did in 2008.
Best wishes.
To be honest at least Gatwick Airport can move on now with airlines who are likely to stick around. They will have takers for the slots which will help them rebuild.
Jet Blue and Norse International are possible newcomers. Perhaps Jet2 would consider opening base of 5 or so aircraft. Other short/medium haul carriers will be
lining up, once the price increases at Heathrow kick in. Some long haul carriers will also find it tough at LHR.
Likewise, I can see BA increasing long haul presence with those marginal more point to point routes that will become less profitable at Heathrow as time goes on. Plus of
course seasonal extras that will become difficult to schedule at LHR as it becomes slot constrained once again in a couple of years.
Hopefully Emirates will be up to 3 a day within a year or so. Plus the return of Cathay and others. You never know Virgin and Delta may also turn up if Norse and Jet Blue
really take market share.
I am trying to be positive. Only hope BA have not made the same mistake as they did in 2008.
Best wishes.