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Old Apr 21, 21, 8:55 pm
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Crew vaccination plans

Given SQ and EK have (I think) achieved a full rollout of the vaccine to frontline crew, has there been any word on what's happening at BA?

I'm not sure if the UK government have even allowed prioritising workers in these groups, but vaccine rollout is going to be a factor for myself when considering flight options that reduce risk.
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Old Apr 21, 21, 10:19 pm
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Originally Posted by wellsy View Post
Given SQ and EK have (I think) achieved a full rollout of the vaccine to frontline crew, has there been any word on what's happening at BA?

I'm not sure if the UK government have even allowed prioritising workers in these groups, but vaccine rollout is going to be a factor for myself when considering flight options that reduce risk.
Anyone with a valid airport ID can currently get a vaccination plus follow up vaccination at the Compass Centre on the northern perimeter road. Not just air crew but also ground staff and airport workers too.
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Old Apr 21, 21, 10:20 pm
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Originally Posted by wellsy View Post
Given SQ and EK have (I think) achieved a full rollout of the vaccine to frontline crew, has there been any word on what's happening at BA?

I'm not sure if the UK government have even allowed prioritising workers in these groups, but vaccine rollout is going to be a factor for myself when considering flight options that reduce risk.
Not sure if there’s an official position, but most of the crew members on my BA flights in March and April have had their first vaccine jab and were waiting for the second. I asked out of curiosity.
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Old Apr 21, 21, 10:58 pm
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Originally Posted by 1Aturnleft View Post
Anyone with a valid airport ID can currently get a vaccination plus follow up vaccination at the Compass Centre on the northern perimeter road. Not just air crew but also ground staff and airport workers too.
This is not quite right. There were a couple days recently when the local site had spare doses and was open for walk-ins. There was no requirement for Airport ID and many local residents took up the offer. BA sent an email out that incorrectly said staff ID was required.
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Old Apr 21, 21, 11:45 pm
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Interesting.

I thought we were still going through by age bracket, plus vulnerable, key workers, etc.

I’m 46 and managed to squeeze in with my 54 year old hubby got his.
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Old Apr 22, 21, 12:06 am
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If crew have got them it's because they're in the priority groups (over 50 or with underlying conditions). There might be a few, as mentioned above, who scored lucky with some spare doses floating around.

As much as it would be great if all crew were vaccinated I don't think they can be classified as key workers really, especially where police and supermarket staff, for example, are currently unvaccinated.

Remember the vaccination program is solely in the hands of HMG/NHS. There is no route to obtaining a vaccination privately (unlike testing etc).
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Old Apr 22, 21, 12:18 am
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I thought we were still going through by age bracket, plus vulnerable, key workers, etc.

I’m 46 and managed to squeeze in with my 54 year old hubby got his.
The guidance is very much age and medical vulnerability led - that's still the 95% position. We are now jabbing a lot in their early 40s though. The only worker groups prioritised are NHS and social care workers. And arguably the NHS isn't in the same risk position as it was when an average of 1,401 people a day were dying from COVID-19, as was the case on 26 January 2021, it's now 24 fatalities a day on average and only 1.1% of the UK's hospital beds have a COVID-19 patient in them. We have been calling in fireflighters, police, taxi drivers and occasionally teachers to use up spare doses, but that's more because you can make one telephone call and end up with 200 police officers in the waiting area 30 minutes later. Taxi drivers have been hit hard by the virus, as a profession, and bring a lot of our patients to the vaccination centre (and are also very quick to arrive). We are not prioritising airport and airline related staff despite the fact that one of our centres is close to NCL and the other is next to BA's Newcastle contact centre. Many of the vaccinators and other vaccine centre staff are furloughed cabin crew, so they will have had both vaccines typically.
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All interesting responses, thanks for the insight and updates everyone. I'm having to transit on the way from Australia back to London, with no vaccination option out here. Tokyo initially looked a good option but if that gets worse, it seems HKG with CX/BA is looking like a safer plan.
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Old Apr 22, 21, 2:32 am
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If crew have got them it's because they're in the priority groups (over 50 or with underlying conditions). There might be a few, as mentioned above, who scored lucky with some spare doses floating around.
Just for info, a lot of crew of various airlines as well as other Heathrow workers live in the same health trust area as me. Our area has been ahead of the general UK situation for months and finished all the priority groups and moved on to the over 45s in March. They're on the 40-45 age group now but, based on me asking people I know and work with, that appears to be going slower due to second doses being a priority.
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Old Apr 22, 21, 3:21 am
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Interesting.
I thought we were still going through by age bracket, plus vulnerable, key workers, etc.
I’m 46 and managed to squeeze in with my 54 year old hubby got his.
We are. There would be outrage in the UK if certain non-vulnerable professions were prioritised over others in the official running order... not to mention a huge administrative burden to arrange it. It’s very different in parts of the world where ‘society’ means less and vaccines can be bought by corporations to give to their staff ahead of the community as a whole.
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There can't be many police officers left that have not had at least one. Pretty much everyone at our place had their first in January and as such most of us have had the second too. They were offered to us pretty much every night from 6pm onwards.
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Old Apr 22, 21, 4:32 am
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We are. There would be outrage in the UK if certain non-vulnerable professions were prioritised over others in the official running order... not to mention a huge administrative burden to arrange it. It’s very different in parts of the world where ‘society’ means less and vaccines can be bought by corporations to give to their staff ahead of the community as a whole.
In my opinion frontline workers should’ve been prioritised. Crews, delivery drivers, firefighters, cops, supermarket workers, TfL workers, bus drivers all come into contact with more people and, frankly, are fulfilling a key role in the society. I agree that doing things by company isn’t right, but at the same time we should’ve recognised the extra risk these people have run.
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In my opinion frontline workers should’ve been prioritised. Crews, delivery drivers, firefighters, cops, supermarket workers, TfL workers, bus drivers all come into contact with more people and, frankly, are fulfilling a key role in the society. I agree that doing things by company isn’t right, but at the same time we should’ve recognised the extra risk these people have run.
These vaccines do three things: inhibit transmission (50%), avoid hospitalisation (85%), arrest mortality (over 95%). The last one is obviously the most important. If vaccines are restricted in supply, you target those most at risk, which are the elderly. Age remains by far the biggest factor with deaths and hospitalisation. In your list of professions, only one has greatly raised death rates, bus drivers. Police have lower than average death rates, being typically typically younger and less likely to have illnesses. So if you proriitise the police, you won't make much difference to their death rates, but will increase the death rates of older people from whom the vaccine is diverted. You thereby also increase pressures on health services. So it's illogical. If we were going to do this the priority groups would be taxi drivers, sandwich makers and slaugher house workers, none of whom get good PR.
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Old Apr 22, 21, 5:32 am
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The initial plan for the vaccine roll-out in Ireland had prioritised groups based on their professions. This decision was revered as it slowed the vaccine delivery rate down and was a political nightmare, every trade union was baying for the vaccine. It became a distraction in the end and too difficult to administer. Where do you draw the line? Does the tube driver get a vaccine, platform staff, staff who work in the station but not in contact with the public/others and admin staff at home? While it seems a good idea on the face of it it introduces complication, abuse of the system. Inviting people by age unless they have an underlying condition which they are being treated by their GP/specialist for is the most robust and fairest way. It's also the quickest, easiest and least open to political interference.
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These vaccines do three things: inhibit transmission (50%), avoid hospitalisation (85%), arrest mortality (over 95%). The last one is obviously the most important...
This is the thing most people are missing. Other people’s vaccination status has limited effect. If you are concerned then get your vaccination when offered and then you are at a much reduced risk of mortality or serious illness. Don’t look to other people.

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