Crew vaccination plans
Apr 22, 2021, 5:36 am
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These vaccines do three things: inhibit transmission (50%), avoid hospitalisation (85%), arrest mortality (over 95%). The last one is obviously the most important. If vaccines are restricted in supply, you target those most at risk, which are the elderly. Age remains by far the biggest factor with deaths and hospitalisation. In your list of professions, only one has greatly raised death rates, bus drivers. Police have lower than average death rates, being typically typically younger and less likely to have illnesses. So if you proriitise the police, you won't make much difference to their death rates, but will increase the death rates of older people from whom the vaccine is diverted. You thereby also increase pressures on health services. So it's illogical. If we were going to do this the priority groups would be taxi drivers, sandwich makers and slaugher house workers, none of whom get good PR.
I don’t mean to say they should’ve trumped everyone else but that they should’ve been in one of the priority groups.
Apr 22, 2021, 5:40 am
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When the vaccinations were started and for at least a few months after, it wasn't clear vaccinations would stop spread. So prioritising groups at that stage for that reason would have been quite a gamble.
We obviously know a bit more now after 4/5 months of vaccination, but at this stage you may as well just do age groups now rather than trying to pick out certain groups for marginal (if any) benefits in terms of hospitalisations and deaths.
We obviously know a bit more now after 4/5 months of vaccination, but at this stage you may as well just do age groups now rather than trying to pick out certain groups for marginal (if any) benefits in terms of hospitalisations and deaths.
Apr 22, 2021, 5:45 am
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If crew have got them it's because they're in the priority groups (over 50 or with underlying conditions). There might be a few, as mentioned above, who scored lucky with some spare doses floating around.
As much as it would be great if all crew were vaccinated I don't think they can be classified as key workers really, especially where police and supermarket staff, for example, are currently unvaccinated.
Remember the vaccination program is solely in the hands of HMG/NHS. There is no route to obtaining a vaccination privately (unlike testing etc).
As much as it would be great if all crew were vaccinated I don't think they can be classified as key workers really, especially where police and supermarket staff, for example, are currently unvaccinated.
Remember the vaccination program is solely in the hands of HMG/NHS. There is no route to obtaining a vaccination privately (unlike testing etc).
meanwhile, phase 1A (haha) here and booked for 1st dose Pfizer on Tuesday
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Apr 22, 2021, 9:30 am
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)Edit: Less than 30 minutes after saying that, i'm booked in! NHS Website taking 40-44 year olds
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Apr 22, 2021, 9:51 am
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Lots of crew have had at least one jab, this isn't due to the fact they're crew though. The Compass Centre was doing walk-ins for 30+ last week; many crew have been doing Project Wingman which got their foot in the door; lots are working as vaccinators or other roles within the NHS so there are lots of reasons. Just being crew though isn't going to get you an early jab - I haven't had mine yet and I'm happy to wait my turn.
Apr 22, 2021, 10:57 am
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In my opinion frontline workers should’ve been prioritised. Crews, delivery drivers, firefighters, cops, supermarket workers, TfL workers, bus drivers all come into contact with more people and, frankly, are fulfilling a key role in the society. I agree that doing things by company isn’t right, but at the same time we should’ve recognised the extra risk these people have run.
Also at the time we didn’t know the vaccine would stop the spread it was to aid the survival of the virus so by your reasoning, a 20 year old police constable or shop worker may have received a jab ahead of an older ‘riskier’ person.
on the whole I think our JvCI have got this right and have tweaked it accordingly eg 2nd dose 12 weeks later to allow more people to gain at least some protection.
Apr 22, 2021, 11:05 am
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Since it's a nice evening, if you can get there in the next 30 minutes or so, you could also try the Islington Business Design Centre vaccination station run by UCLH. There is a queue area against the wall, over from the small front car park, for any spares, but speak to the door staff and show your online confirmation.
Apr 22, 2021, 11:09 am
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Apr 22, 2021, 11:09 am
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i agree that it seems the gov got this one part right. there was the dustup in early march i believe when groups like police, grocery workers and other similar frontline workers were not to be prioritized but the government would continue the top-down age approach and then include the clinically vulnerable.
the numbers dont lie and the gamble to do one shot in this order has yielded amazing results--and as for cabin crew, arguably yes but they mostly were not seeing as many people in a day as a grocery clerk as loads were low, at least in the UK. same probably isnt true of the ME3 carriers though who presumably did have more pax just by virture of connecting traffic.
the numbers dont lie and the gamble to do one shot in this order has yielded amazing results--and as for cabin crew, arguably yes but they mostly were not seeing as many people in a day as a grocery clerk as loads were low, at least in the UK. same probably isnt true of the ME3 carriers though who presumably did have more pax just by virture of connecting traffic.
Apr 22, 2021, 11:46 am
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I didn't say that a 20 year old cop should've trumped an 85 year old care home resident but, perhaps, maybe, they could've prioritised a train station worker, or a paramedic, or a teacher ahead a 50 year old lawyer who's been working from home. That was an opinion, no need for you and KARFA to repeat the same thing twice again...unless you want to do a Bee-Gees-style choir in which case, well, carry on!
Apr 22, 2021, 12:05 pm
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I didn't say that a 20 year old cop should've trumped an 85 year old care home resident but, perhaps, maybe, they could've prioritised a train station worker, or a paramedic, or a teacher ahead a 50 year old lawyer who's been working from home. That was an opinion, no need for you and KARFA to repeat the same thing twice again...unless you want to do a Bee-Gees-style choir in which case, well, carry on!
TFL ridership was 90% down and trains were virtually empty so whilst there’s always different views and opinions but in this case I think the JVCI got it mostly right. With various local initiatives to use spare doses.
Apr 22, 2021, 12:28 pm
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Since it's a nice evening, if you can get there in the next 30 minutes or so, you could also try the Islington Business Design Centre vaccination station run by UCLH. There is a queue area against the wall, over from the small front car park, for any spares, but speak to the door staff and show your online confirmation.
Apr 22, 2021, 12:54 pm
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Since it's a nice evening, if you can get there in the next 30 minutes or so, you could also try the Islington Business Design Centre vaccination station run by UCLH. There is a queue area against the wall, over from the small front car park, for any spares, but speak to the door staff and show your online confirmation.
Apr 22, 2021, 3:54 pm
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