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Old Sep 7, 2021, 3:17 am
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Originally Posted by KARFA
I am afraid PGberkshire is correct though. A b2b is definitely not a transit. Transit is normally deemed to be arriving from country A and going on to a different country B, not returning to country A.

The fact you have got away with it doesn't change that I am afraid. You are running a risk the airline will turn round and say you are not doing a transit and deny you boarding, and you would have no recourse for that since they would be correct. We have seen exactly this issue before in certain circumstances like trying to do a LHR-DME-LHR without a visa because someone tries to rely on the transit allowance.
Why would there be a risk to get denied boarding? If the passenger has the correct travel documents, they are allowed to travel to Romania.

The quarantine decision is not made by the border police, but by the health authority, and if you can show them that you are leaving the country, by plane, car, train whatever, that counts as an exemption from quarantine. There is nothing to get away with, this is how things work, written on the Romanian foreign affairs website.
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Old Sep 7, 2021, 3:21 am
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Originally Posted by KARFA
I am afraid PGberkshire is correct though. A b2b is definitely not a transit. Transit is normally deemed to be arriving from country A and going on to a different country B, not returning to country A.

The fact you have got away with it doesn't change that I am afraid. You are running a risk the airline will turn round and say you are not doing a transit and deny you boarding, and you would have no recourse for that since they would be correct. We have seen exactly this issue before in certain circumstances like trying to do a LHR-DME-LHR without a visa because someone tries to rely on the transit allowance.
Some countries specify that transit has to be to a third country (e.g. China for TWOV), other countries don't care (e.g Russian Federation, most of the EU). From the immigration point of view, if you're allowed to enter Romania with your regular passport, then it doesn't matter whether you transit to a third country, or fly back to where you came from. From covid spreading prevention point of view, it doesn't really matter where you came from and where you're going since what matters is you'll be there for less than 24h.

In my humble opinion b2b is a transit, unless country in question specifies transit as a connection to a third country.
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Old Sep 7, 2021, 3:26 am
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Originally Posted by Deckter
The quarantine decision is not made by the border police, but by the health authority, and if you can show them that you are leaving the country, by plane, car, train whatever, that counts as an exemption from quarantine. There is nothing to get away with, this is how things work, written on the Romanian foreign affairs website.
I will repeat again, a b2b is not a transit. You do not fall within that exemption if doing a b2b.
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Old Sep 7, 2021, 4:13 am
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Originally Posted by KARFA
I will repeat again, a b2b is not a transit. You do not fall within that exemption if doing a b2b.
Immigration won't know what b2b is, neither health officials. For them you're in transit to your final destination making a sub-24h connection in Romania.
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Old Sep 7, 2021, 4:15 am
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I think the main issue is related to BA staff checking documents for self-isolation ( if Romania has such thing ) rather than the interpretation of immigration officials in Bucharest.
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Old Sep 7, 2021, 4:20 am
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Originally Posted by ISTFlyer
I think the main issue is related to BA staff checking documents for self-isolation ( if Romania has such thing ) rather than the interpretation of immigration officials in Bucharest.
There are no documents to check regarding self-isolation though, therefore no risk of being denied boarding.
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Old Sep 7, 2021, 10:06 am
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As a practical matter, you arrive into OTP from UK, are not otherwise exempt from quarantine requirement, and split hairs with the Romanians about B2B-is-a-transit-or-not, and finally they say you have to go self isolate (14 days). You go to your hotel, spend the night, and check out the next day. Thereafter, go to OTP to catch your flight the next morning back to LHR.
Would you have broken any rules by acting thus?
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Old Sep 9, 2021, 6:00 pm
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Bumping this thread, but I posted a pretty good AA A/F fare in the Premium Fare Deals subforum. 580 TP's. Same day turns available for those crazy enough to do one Enjoy!

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Old Sep 10, 2021, 1:12 am
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*smh*

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Old Sep 10, 2021, 1:29 am
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Originally Posted by Nephoi
fare is also avail for 300 bucks more without a 7 day min stay.

already in the queue for aa call center. 16 minutes ...
i guess its not around long time.

cant book it online. thats not a good sign
Not a good sign you’re phoning the airline!
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Old Sep 10, 2021, 1:32 am
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Originally Posted by Nephoi
fare is also avail for 300 bucks more without a 7 day min stay.

already in the queue for aa call center. 16 minutes ...
i guess its not around long time.

cant book it online. thats not a good sign

edit: Agent couldnt get a price /a combinable fare because IB segments come back as "NN"
Can be priced with powertools. Not the type of fare that people should be calling in to book.
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Old Sep 10, 2021, 2:01 am
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Originally Posted by Deckter
Can be priced with powertools. Not the type of fare that people should be calling in to book.
Originally Posted by our_kid
Not a good sign you’re phoning the airline!
it couldn't. I tried for over an hour. AA.com won't let me book it after an hour of testing. I enter the flights, I use power tools, I get routed to aa.com, I enter pax data, I enter credit card data, pop up "your price changed old price: 996 USD, new price 1180 USD confirm? search new flights" I click on confirm, system works, I get routed back to the page to enter pax data and can click on pay now. I click pay now. system works, I get routed back to the page to enter pax data and can click on pay now. I click pay now.system works, I get routed back to the page to enter pax data and can click on pay now. I click pay now.system works, I get routed back to the page to enter pax data and can click on pay now. I click pay now.

but thanks for reminding me of TP run 101.

for the record: I think its also not a good sign to publish fares like this here. but does it count what I think?
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Old Sep 10, 2021, 2:14 am
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Originally Posted by Nephoi
it couldn't. I tried for over an hour. AA.com won't let me book it after an hour of testing. I enter the flights, I use power tools, I get routed to aa.com, I enter pax data, I enter credit card data, pop up "your price changed old price: 996 USD, new price 1180 USD confirm? search new flights" I click on confirm, system works, I get routed back to the page to enter pax data and can click on pay now. I click pay now. system works, I get routed back to the page to enter pax data and can click on pay now. I click pay now.system works, I get routed back to the page to enter pax data and can click on pay now. I click pay now.system works, I get routed back to the page to enter pax data and can click on pay now. I click pay now.

but thanks for reminding me of TP run 101.

for the record: I think its also not a good sign to publish fares like this here. but does it count what I think?
Fares like "these" have been published on FT for ages and it is common knowledge not to call the airline, and I would think that experienced users such as yourself, would respect that "rule". If you want to potentially ruin the fun for other people that is your choice.
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Old Sep 10, 2021, 2:16 am
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Originally Posted by Deckter
Fares like "these" have been published on FT for ages and it is common knowledge not to call the airline, and I would think that experienced users such as yourself, would respect that "rule". If you want to potentially ruin the fun for other people that is your choice.
im so sorry I didn’t meet your standard.
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Old Sep 10, 2021, 2:56 am
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Did anyone manage to book CMN-MAD-LHR-MIA?
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