Feb 6, 2021, 5:40 am
Last edit by: Prospero
This thread is the continuation of the discussion hosted in the BA Tier Point Runs | 2019-20 edition thread.
Useful tips and technical pointers
El_Duderito's explanation on fare routings and the maximum permitted distance you are allowed to travel (based on the distance between the origin and destination airports)
Helpful maps
The following series of maps show a 2,000 mile radius around each oneworld hub, useful for strategic planning purposes. Hopefully these will help your imagination to run free. Click on the images to reveal the accompanying maps.
EMEA
Asia Pacific
North America
Previous editions
BA Tier Point Runs | 2019-20 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2018 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2017 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2016 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2015 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2014 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | original edition
Useful tips and technical pointers
El_Duderito's explanation on fare routings and the maximum permitted distance you are allowed to travel (based on the distance between the origin and destination airports)
Helpful maps
The following series of maps show a 2,000 mile radius around each oneworld hub, useful for strategic planning purposes. Hopefully these will help your imagination to run free. Click on the images to reveal the accompanying maps.
EMEA
Asia Pacific
North America
Previous editions
BA Tier Point Runs | 2019-20 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2018 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2017 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2016 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2015 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2014 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | original edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2021 edition
Jun 28, 2021, 9:40 am
#661
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Morning all,
I've been preparing for my call to AA in order to rectify AY's change to my upcoming schedule and get AA to either put me on AY15 from HEL to JFK or change my routing to MAD-HEL-LHR-JFK-SFO (original routing was MAD-LHR-HEL-JFK-SFO and AY has cancelled my lunchtime departure from HEL-JFK but not re-booked me on the later AY15).
After looking through the internet I came across the attached AA document relating to schedule changes and just wondered if anyone thought I could use any particular sections of the document in my call to AA (I must admit I'm struggling to decipher the way it's worded).
My preference would be to change the routing to MAD-HEL-LHR-JFK-SFO due to the timings. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
I've been preparing for my call to AA in order to rectify AY's change to my upcoming schedule and get AA to either put me on AY15 from HEL to JFK or change my routing to MAD-HEL-LHR-JFK-SFO (original routing was MAD-LHR-HEL-JFK-SFO and AY has cancelled my lunchtime departure from HEL-JFK but not re-booked me on the later AY15).
After looking through the internet I came across the attached AA document relating to schedule changes and just wondered if anyone thought I could use any particular sections of the document in my call to AA (I must admit I'm struggling to decipher the way it's worded).
My preference would be to change the routing to MAD-HEL-LHR-JFK-SFO due to the timings. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
As for my understanding, a direct MAD/CDG-HEL routing doesn‘t work, due to this rule:
OA Prime flights: same inventory, same fare, same orgin/ destination and same date of travel as orginally ticketed for the OA flight segments
- No OA/ Codeshare segments allowed
but give it a try
OA Prime flights: same inventory, same fare, same orgin/ destination and same date of travel as orginally ticketed for the OA flight segments
- No OA/ Codeshare segments allowed
but give it a try
Jun 28, 2021, 10:23 am
#662
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Thanks ISTFlyer, I will mention the AJB agreement.
Was also hoping to use one of the sections from the document such as: "May reroute customer same day via an alternate connecting city or next available connecting or non-stop flight. May book the first available connecting flight the next day if new flights require an overnight"
Interestingly I can't seem to find anything that would prompt/allow an agent to offer most direct services only.
Am including the direct link here as it may be easier for people to view compared to my attached PP.
Schedule_Change_plus_240.pdf (aa.com)
Was also hoping to use one of the sections from the document such as: "May reroute customer same day via an alternate connecting city or next available connecting or non-stop flight. May book the first available connecting flight the next day if new flights require an overnight"
Interestingly I can't seem to find anything that would prompt/allow an agent to offer most direct services only.
Am including the direct link here as it may be easier for people to view compared to my attached PP.
Schedule_Change_plus_240.pdf (aa.com)
Jun 28, 2021, 6:59 pm
#663
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For those in the USA;
AA: Mainland USA - Fairbanks ( Alaska ) is available for $250-350 o/w. ( Depends on origin city )
As flying through ORD & DFW is mandatory by fare rules there is no way to get more than 220TP's ( 2x40 + 1x140 ) on this fare.
ORD-FAI & DFW-FAI are seasonal routes that run until early-October and availability is only present for summer 2021 and early-fall 2021.
ORD/DFW-FAI is operated by an Airbus A321neo with recliner seats and unfortunately this fare couldn't be combined with any wide-body equipped aircraft on the transatlantic legs.
AA: Mainland USA - Fairbanks ( Alaska ) is available for $250-350 o/w. ( Depends on origin city )
As flying through ORD & DFW is mandatory by fare rules there is no way to get more than 220TP's ( 2x40 + 1x140 ) on this fare.
ORD-FAI & DFW-FAI are seasonal routes that run until early-October and availability is only present for summer 2021 and early-fall 2021.
ORD/DFW-FAI is operated by an Airbus A321neo with recliner seats and unfortunately this fare couldn't be combined with any wide-body equipped aircraft on the transatlantic legs.
Jun 28, 2021, 7:01 pm
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Jun 28, 2021, 7:09 pm
#665
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Jun 29, 2021, 6:30 pm
#667
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Hi everyone, I could use a bit of help and I truly appreciate any suggestions.
I'm glancing around at options in November, I need to be near SNA/LAX from ORD/MKE on the evening of Nov 3. I leave that area late Nov 6th(could be 7th) to ORD/MKE. I'm looking for some ideas turning my trip there into a short run by nesting a TP run in there, no specific goal, other than efficient, I'd like to keep it to around 2.5k or so but I'm flexible.
I'm glancing around at options in November, I need to be near SNA/LAX from ORD/MKE on the evening of Nov 3. I leave that area late Nov 6th(could be 7th) to ORD/MKE. I'm looking for some ideas turning my trip there into a short run by nesting a TP run in there, no specific goal, other than efficient, I'd like to keep it to around 2.5k or so but I'm flexible.
Jul 2, 2021, 5:57 am
#668
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Hi everyone, I could use a bit of help and I truly appreciate any suggestions.
I'm glancing around at options in November, I need to be near SNA/LAX from ORD/MKE on the evening of Nov 3. I leave that area late Nov 6th(could be 7th) to ORD/MKE. I'm looking for some ideas turning my trip there into a short run by nesting a TP run in there, no specific goal, other than efficient, I'd like to keep it to around 2.5k or so but I'm flexible.
I'm glancing around at options in November, I need to be near SNA/LAX from ORD/MKE on the evening of Nov 3. I leave that area late Nov 6th(could be 7th) to ORD/MKE. I'm looking for some ideas turning my trip there into a short run by nesting a TP run in there, no specific goal, other than efficient, I'd like to keep it to around 2.5k or so but I'm flexible.
Unfortunately, there aren't any good TP run deals from LAX/SNA to ORD/MKE as the fares between those cities doesn't produce any 140TP segments.
If you are OK traveling on two separate tickets, please let us know so I could do further checks.
Jul 2, 2021, 8:20 am
#669
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Oh yeah, definitely open to that.
Jul 2, 2021, 8:32 pm
#670
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So, I have made some checks and flight options are cheaper than $2.5k. If you have a corporate travel budget, etc... or willing to pay extra for the same amount of Tier Points, please let us know.
Unfortunately, there aren't any good TP run deals from LAX/SNA to ORD/MKE as the fares between those cities doesn't produce any 140TP segments.
If you are OK traveling on two separate tickets, please let us know so I could do further checks.
Unfortunately, there aren't any good TP run deals from LAX/SNA to ORD/MKE as the fares between those cities doesn't produce any 140TP segments.
If you are OK traveling on two separate tickets, please let us know so I could do further checks.
I'm totally open to it. I'm also open to anything else exciting out of ORD,MKE
Jul 2, 2021, 8:33 pm
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Jul 3, 2021, 4:31 am
#672
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Hi everyone, I could use a bit of help and I truly appreciate any suggestions.
I'm glancing around at options in November, I need to be near SNA/LAX from ORD/MKE on the evening of Nov 3. I leave that area late Nov 6th(could be 7th) to ORD/MKE. I'm looking for some ideas turning my trip there into a short run by nesting a TP run in there, no specific goal, other than efficient, I'd like to keep it to around 2.5k or so but I'm flexible.
I'm glancing around at options in November, I need to be near SNA/LAX from ORD/MKE on the evening of Nov 3. I leave that area late Nov 6th(could be 7th) to ORD/MKE. I'm looking for some ideas turning my trip there into a short run by nesting a TP run in there, no specific goal, other than efficient, I'd like to keep it to around 2.5k or so but I'm flexible.
https://www.google.com/travel/flight...JrRhIGCAEQABgA
Jul 4, 2021, 12:25 pm
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As there was a nice fare to GEO from HNL, about a year and a half ago, i checked the options/rules, which seems pretty much the same as this fare from LAX. Minimum stay is 24h, so to minimize stay-over time, the routing LAX-JFK-MIA-GEO-JFK-MIA-LAX only requires one hotel night, as the MIA flight arrives late eve and depart early morning, but due to the 24h rule next day departure not allowed. The JFK flight departs 25h after the MIA arrival.
Regardless of routing, both JFK and MIA to GEO is 140 TP, so itinerarary as above, or other , including MIA and JFK in random order earns (140+40+140)x2 = 640 TP. The prices I see are $864/£630, so just under 1£/TP
The main comfort issue is that GEO-JFK is 6h10m in the 737, MIA-GEO 4h 24m in the same ac. LAX-JFK the nice lie-flat 321T, and with some planning flights between JFK-MIA v/v can also be lie-flat 777. But some comfort may be sacrificed for the sake of not staying two nights on this very hot destination, hence returning GEO-JFK as described above.
Regardless of routing, both JFK and MIA to GEO is 140 TP, so itinerarary as above, or other , including MIA and JFK in random order earns (140+40+140)x2 = 640 TP. The prices I see are $864/£630, so just under 1£/TP
The main comfort issue is that GEO-JFK is 6h10m in the 737, MIA-GEO 4h 24m in the same ac. LAX-JFK the nice lie-flat 321T, and with some planning flights between JFK-MIA v/v can also be lie-flat 777. But some comfort may be sacrificed for the sake of not staying two nights on this very hot destination, hence returning GEO-JFK as described above.
Jul 4, 2021, 12:32 pm
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As there was a nice fare to GEO from HNL, about a year and a half ago, i checked the options/rules, which seems pretty much the same as this fare from LAX. Minimum stay is 24h, so to minimize stay-over time, the routing LAX-JFK-MIA-GEO-JFK-MIA-LAX only requires one hotel night, as the MIA flight arrives late eve and depart early morning, but due to the 24h rule next day departure not allowed. The JFK flight departs 25h after the MIA arrival.
Regardless of routing, both JFK and MIA to GEO is 140 TP, so itinerarary as above, or other , including MIA and JFK in random order earns (140+40+140)x2 = 640 TP. The prices I see are $864/£630, so just under 1£/TP
The main comfort issue is that GEO-JFK is 6h10m in the 737, MIA-GEO 4h 24m in the same ac. LAX-JFK the nice lie-flat 321T, and with some planning flights between JFK-MIA v/v can also be lie-flat 777. But some comfort may be sacrificed for the sake of not staying two nights on this very hot destination, hence returning GEO-JFK as described above.
Regardless of routing, both JFK and MIA to GEO is 140 TP, so itinerarary as above, or other , including MIA and JFK in random order earns (140+40+140)x2 = 640 TP. The prices I see are $864/£630, so just under 1£/TP
The main comfort issue is that GEO-JFK is 6h10m in the 737, MIA-GEO 4h 24m in the same ac. LAX-JFK the nice lie-flat 321T, and with some planning flights between JFK-MIA v/v can also be lie-flat 777. But some comfort may be sacrificed for the sake of not staying two nights on this very hot destination, hence returning GEO-JFK as described above.
However, it's a super deal.
Jul 5, 2021, 3:25 am
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As there was a nice fare to GEO from HNL, about a year and a half ago, i checked the options/rules, which seems pretty much the same as this fare from LAX. Minimum stay is 24h, so to minimize stay-over time, the routing LAX-JFK-MIA-GEO-JFK-MIA-LAX only requires one hotel night, as the MIA flight arrives late eve and depart early morning, but due to the 24h rule next day departure not allowed. The JFK flight departs 25h after the MIA arrival.
Regardless of routing, both JFK and MIA to GEO is 140 TP, so itinerarary as above, or other , including MIA and JFK in random order earns (140+40+140)x2 = 640 TP. The prices I see are $864/£630, so just under 1£/TP
The main comfort issue is that GEO-JFK is 6h10m in the 737, MIA-GEO 4h 24m in the same ac. LAX-JFK the nice lie-flat 321T, and with some planning flights between JFK-MIA v/v can also be lie-flat 777. But some comfort may be sacrificed for the sake of not staying two nights on this very hot destination, hence returning GEO-JFK as described above.
Regardless of routing, both JFK and MIA to GEO is 140 TP, so itinerarary as above, or other , including MIA and JFK in random order earns (140+40+140)x2 = 640 TP. The prices I see are $864/£630, so just under 1£/TP
The main comfort issue is that GEO-JFK is 6h10m in the 737, MIA-GEO 4h 24m in the same ac. LAX-JFK the nice lie-flat 321T, and with some planning flights between JFK-MIA v/v can also be lie-flat 777. But some comfort may be sacrificed for the sake of not staying two nights on this very hot destination, hence returning GEO-JFK as described above.
