BA and South Africa
#76
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Suffolk
Programs: BAEC Silver
Posts: 120
See:
https://www.heraldlive.co.za/amp/new...mpression=true
Regulations gazetted after the president's announcement confirmed this, stating: “The sale, dispensing, and distribution of liquor for off-site consumption: and for on-site consumption, is prohibited.”
https://www.heraldlive.co.za/amp/new...mpression=true
Regulations gazetted after the president's announcement confirmed this, stating: “The sale, dispensing, and distribution of liquor for off-site consumption: and for on-site consumption, is prohibited.”
#78
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Suffolk
Programs: BAEC Silver
Posts: 120
Yup, there were still plenty of alcohol-fueled altercations during the last lockdown. Pineapple beer at 12% ABV carries a punch.
Last edited by Postdoc; Dec 29, 2020 at 10:41 am Reason: spelling
#80
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Suffolk
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#81
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: London
Programs: BA Blue
Posts: 335
BA59 to CPT also cancelled on 7/8 Jan. one of the most competent and polite telephone operators at 00.20 U.K. time booked us on QR. Couldn’t change point of departure to MAN though.
Last edited by lots@LHR; Dec 29, 2020 at 5:24 pm Reason: I phoned BA and they confirmed
#82
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: LON
Programs: BA Gold, LH SEN , A3*G & others less exciting that don't fit in my wallet
Posts: 1,657
In case anyone is arriving from SA into the UK there's a manual process involving the Border Force agents 'recording something' which involves them taking away passports and putting you on the 'naughty chairs' at immigration for a few minutes ... purely administrative the guy was at pains to say this morning and nothing to worry about despite being put on the naughty chairs ! One wonders why they can't cull the necessary info from the already a submitted passenger locator form but there you go - clearly there's some other form of manual recording for SA arrivals .. anyway minor inconvenience, took a little longer this morning as there were 'too many South African arrivals' , but should only be a matter of minutes normally until they give it up. This was at LHR T2 but I assume it was elsewhere as well.
Of course no idea how it would work if you used the e-gates .. as clearly that manual process wouldn't happen since they'd presumably just let you through.
Of course no idea how it would work if you used the e-gates .. as clearly that manual process wouldn't happen since they'd presumably just let you through.
#83
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 3,059
Second-hand info so I can’t vouch for reliability (and I’m not sure I give UKBF enough technical credit to be able to make this work), but I was told yesterday that the e-gates have been set to reject anyone whose APIS shows an itinerary originating in ZA and push them to the manual entry queue.
#84
Join Date: May 2018
Programs: BA Gold
Posts: 21
edit: flying to LHR, not JNB
Last edited by rc4566; Dec 30, 2020 at 7:23 am
#85
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Bath, UK
Programs: BAEC Silver
Posts: 1,002
In case anyone is arriving from SA into the UK there's a manual process involving the Border Force agents 'recording something' which involves them taking away passports and putting you on the 'naughty chairs' at immigration for a few minutes ... purely administrative the guy was at pains to say this morning and nothing to worry about despite being put on the naughty chairs ! One wonders why they can't cull the necessary info from the already a submitted passenger locator form but there you go - clearly there's some other form of manual recording for SA arrivals .. anyway minor inconvenience, took a little longer this morning as there were 'too many South African arrivals' , but should only be a matter of minutes normally until they give it up. This was at LHR T2 but I assume it was elsewhere as well.
Of course no idea how it would work if you used the e-gates .. as clearly that manual process wouldn't happen since they'd presumably just let you through.
Of course no idea how it would work if you used the e-gates .. as clearly that manual process wouldn't happen since they'd presumably just let you through.
As an aside, what I cannot understand is that the PLF is completed online and yet border control need to take your phone and then write down all the details with a pen and pad. Surely in this day and age you would show them your phone, they could enter the reference number and everything would be on their screen. The agent processing our arrival was literally zooming into the phone screen and writing down on a piece of paper all the details on the PLF.
#86
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: LON
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Interesting ... this morning anyway the guy who was doing ours had no interest in the locator forms at all , but he was writing stuff down from his computer terminal onto a scrap of paper and then took that plus the passports away to do whatever it was ( didn't say it was anything about alerting local police, but let's see ! )
Seems pretty massively inefficient anyway as you say .. since presumably the required info is in the PLF data anyway ... this morning there were two desks processing the EU manual queue at T2 - one was held up with something else and then the guy who was processing us left his desk and escorted us off do to his thing which probably meant he was away from his desk for 20 minutes .. so it looked like tough for whoever was behind us in the queue ( and it was getting quite long!)
Seems pretty massively inefficient anyway as you say .. since presumably the required info is in the PLF data anyway ... this morning there were two desks processing the EU manual queue at T2 - one was held up with something else and then the guy who was processing us left his desk and escorted us off do to his thing which probably meant he was away from his desk for 20 minutes .. so it looked like tough for whoever was behind us in the queue ( and it was getting quite long!)
#87
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: NCL
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I'm booked on BA59 on 8th Jan.
No cancellation email to me.
Manage My Booking is still showing BA59 on 8 Jan as operational.
Whilst I was onto BA gold line about something else I asked about BA59 on 8th Jan and they said it's still scheduled.
No cancellation email to me.
Manage My Booking is still showing BA59 on 8 Jan as operational.
Whilst I was onto BA gold line about something else I asked about BA59 on 8th Jan and they said it's still scheduled.
#88
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Setting up automated processes on the fly which also comply with both legal & practical data protection, cyber security and other mandates is not quite so simple as one would make out.
Countries which routinely monitor physical location and other data can be much more efficient and effective, but that is not necessarily a virtue even if it means a bit of idle time.
Countries which routinely monitor physical location and other data can be much more efficient and effective, but that is not necessarily a virtue even if it means a bit of idle time.
#89
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: LON
Programs: Mucci, BAEC, Eurostar
Posts: 3,289
As an aside, what I cannot understand is that the PLF is completed online and yet border control need to take your phone and then write down all the details with a pen and pad. Surely in this day and age you would show them your phone, they could enter the reference number and everything would be on their screen. The agent processing our arrival was literally zooming into the phone screen and writing down on a piece of paper all the details on the PLF.
#90
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Subject to seating availability, QR would be a rebooking option plus or minus 3 days, usually. This would be for commercial bookings, redemptions may struggle due to the lack of codeshares at the moment.