South Africa - Will this work?

Old Oct 2, 20, 9:11 am
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Originally Posted by AlienInTheFatherland View Post
I don't believe it's about the issuing country of your passport - it's about whether you are arriving from a high-risk country or having been in a low-risk country for the previous ten days.

And, just as an aside, you mean a British passport, there being no such thing as an English passport!
I still think this is an issue. Simply South Africa could revert to the previous visa regime and restrict access based on departure point. But that has not been said
so far.

We need to see something definitive on this.
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Old Oct 2, 20, 10:45 am
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Originally Posted by FrancisA View Post
I still think this is an issue. Simply South Africa could revert to the previous visa regime and restrict access based on departure point. But that has not been said
so far.

We need to see something definitive on this.
If I have understood correctly, in the case you have outlined as OP, the questions raised are:
  1. Will my point of departure (IST) be accepted upon entry into ZA if it is on the list of safe countries?
  2. If I transfer at LHR will IST still be seen as my point of departure or will it be LHR?
  3. If I enter UK on my "transfer" because I am on two separate tickets and I need to collect and re-check baggage will UK be seen as my point of departure?
As far as I can make out we are facing a situation where access is right now based on point of departure and it has nothing to do with passports. This has been stated pretty clearly by ZA in their announcement recently.

Given your situation in 1-3 above there does not seem to be a definitive answer as to what is your point of departure.

That said, there has been some discussion about how one could prove to ZA authorities that one had been in a low-risk country for ten days prior to departure. I believe a passport of a safe country with no stamps in it evidencing the contrary would satisfy them.

This is why I have booked an alternative flight originating in Germany (currently safe country) and why I shall use my German passport for this trip.
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Old Oct 2, 20, 11:02 am
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I think the answer to point 3 is fairly clear. Remaining airside would be counted by most immigration officials as not having entered that country.

Being landside at an airport would be a visit to that country, no matter how short.
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Old Oct 2, 20, 11:51 am
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Originally Posted by Truthmonkey View Post
I think the answer to point 3 is fairly clear. Remaining airside would be counted by most immigration officials as not having entered that country.

Being landside at an airport would be a visit to that country, no matter how short.
So you are suggesting that if I were to transit LHR via Flight Connections it would be OK, but if I used the recommended speedier method of going via E-Gates and then First Wing I would not be OK.

How would "most immigration officials" pick up on this? And what about those immigration officials who are not part of "most"?
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Old Oct 2, 20, 1:08 pm
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Originally Posted by Truthmonkey View Post
I think the answer to point 3 is fairly clear. Remaining airside would be counted by most immigration officials as not having entered that country.

Being landside at an airport would be a visit to that country, no matter how short.
I would not be so sure of that. My assumption would be that it now become a UK point of departure.
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Old Oct 2, 20, 1:13 pm
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I would not be so sure of that. My assumption would be that it now become a UK point of departure.
“Which countries have you been in ...”
Airside is not somewhere in cyberspace, it’s in the same country as the airport and staffed (and infected?) by the people of that country.

SOME Nations have, IIRC, exempted airside transits. That’s their call.
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Old Oct 2, 20, 1:17 pm
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Originally Posted by T8191 View Post
“Which countries have you been in ...”
Airside is not somewhere in cyberspace, it’s in the same country as the airport and staffed (and infected?) by the people of that country.

SOME Nations have, IIRC, exempted airside transits. That’s their call.
Precisely. You will have been in the UK.
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Old Oct 2, 20, 7:52 pm
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Originally Posted by T8191 View Post
“SOME Nations have, IIRC, exempted airside transits. That’s their call.
Hong Kong is a case in point. For the enhanced quarantine rules now including the UK, transiting the UK is counted the same as being in the UK for this purpose, unless the passenger arrived and then departed onboard the same aircraft during transit without disembarking at any time during that transit.

The wording the HK Government uses to describe the exact requirements is headache inducing.
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Old Oct 3, 20, 1:49 pm
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My husband and I live in South Africa, with residency visas valid through 2023, have been stranded in NZ since February (as low-risk as it gets), and still are not being allowed to return home. Because we're on US passports. It's worth noting that South Africa has not yet "gazetted" the regs allowing people in from high-risk countries if they've been in a low-risk country for ten days, nor have they gazetted regs on transit. The Transport Minister held another press conference October 2 because he said he was inundated with questions. When asked specifically about transit via a high risk country he did not answer. He also did not address the 10 days in a low risk country. Emirates has now cancelled all flights into RSA effective immediately. Seems the current SA regs are too burdensome.
https://www.enca.com/news/emirates-o...0SA%20airports
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Old Oct 5, 20, 10:35 am
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It seems the official list "Countries exempt from South African Visas" was (somewhat) updated even even though it still says "Issued on 25 MARCH 2020".

I believe all the countries that had a high number of cases back in March were crossed from the list only 1 or 2 days ago? Am I wrong?
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Old Oct 5, 20, 11:59 am
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Originally Posted by superpointsLXflyer View Post
It seems the official list "Countries exempt from South African Visas" was (somewhat) updated even even though it still says "Issued on 25 MARCH 2020".

I believe all the countries that had a high number of cases back in March were crossed from the list only 1 or 2 days ago? Am I wrong?
I don't know about that list, but the Timatic entry for UK nationals travelling to ZA has changed. The good news is that it now says (with added bolding):-
Code:
Visa, Health & Passport:

Information as of  05OCT20 / 1657 UTC
National United Kingdom (GB)
Embarkation United Kingdom (GB)/Destination South Africa (ZA)
South Africa (ZA)

Passport required.
- Passports and other documents accepted for entry must be
valid for a minimum of 30 days beyond the period of intended
stay.
Passport Exemptions:
- Passengers with a British emergency or temporary passport.
Admission and Transit Restrictions:
- Passengers arriving from United Kingdom are not allowed to
enter.
- Passengers can only land at Cape Town (CPT), Durban (DUR) or
Johannesburg (JNB).
- Passports must be machine-readable to enter and transit.

Visa required, except for Passengers with a British normal
passport with nationality  British Citizen  for a maximum stay
of 90 days.
Visa required, except for Passengers with a British passport
with nationality  British Overseas Territories Citizen  for a
maximum stay of 90 days.
Visa required, except for Passengers with a British passport
with nationality  British National (Overseas)  for a maximum
stay of 30 days.
Minors:
- Minors younger than 18 years, traveling to/from South
Africa:

- This does not apply to holders of a valid visa.
Additional Information:
- Extension of stay for additional 90 days is possible, if


Warning:
- Passengers arriving in South Africa:
- are subject to medical screening; and
- must install COVID Alert South Africa mobile app.
- Passengers without a medical certificate with a negative
Coronavirus (COVID-19) test result issued at most 72 hours
before departure are subject to quarantine at their own
expense.
- Passports and passport replacing documents of all non-South
African nationals must contain at least 1 unused visa page

- Visitors with an extended machine readable passport are not
allowed to enter or transit South Africa.
- Visitors not holding return/onward tickets could be refused
entry. They must

- Brexit: The United Kingdom stopped being member of the
European Union (EU) and of the European Economic Area (EEA).
Regulations related to the EU and the EEA apply to the
United Kingdom until 31 December 2020.
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Old Oct 5, 20, 4:10 pm
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Yes, the changes from 1 October are slowly clarifying. Though a fair amount of fog remains.

Several of the former Visa exemption countries have had that status re-instated. Including the UK. See at: Department of Home Affairs - Home Affairs Minister Dr Aaron Motsoaledi provides an update on the partial re-opening of borders and services during Alert Level 1

Looking at various other announcements it appears there is a principle in play where the Visa assessment is separate to the public Health requirements regarding Covid19.
A t-72 negative test certificate is normally needed.
A departure from a non High Risk country is required; although what may count as allowed transit is somewhat in the eyes of immigration (guidance appears to be leaning to LHR and AMS and Middle East transits okay). The extent to which proof and time spent in non High Risk country, prior to travel, is expected has seen less column inches.
Some discussion over at: South Africa - possible limits on travel for a long time...

Quite what is, and what will be High Risk countries will only play out over the next few weeks. I don't see Spain on the current list for example. Yet Switzerland is on their list.

As others have said; far too many imponderables and 'reasons against' to go visit ZA or book to visit ZA just yet.
My family there will hopefully not have to wait too long until the fogs disperse and safe travel to a reasonably Covid controlled ZA can resume.
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Old Oct 7, 20, 6:54 am
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Originally Posted by Globaliser View Post
I don't know about that list, but the Timatic entry for UK nationals travelling to ZA has changed. The good news is that it now says (with added bolding):-
Code:
Visa, Health & Passport:

Information as of 05OCT20 / 1657 UTC
National United Kingdom (GB)
Embarkation United Kingdom (GB)/Destination South Africa (ZA)
South Africa (ZA)

Passport required.
- Passports and other documents accepted for entry must be
valid for a minimum of 30 days beyond the period of intended
stay.
Passport Exemptions:
- Passengers with a British emergency or temporary passport.
Admission and Transit Restrictions:
- Passengers arriving from United Kingdom are not allowed to
enter.
- Passengers can only land at Cape Town (CPT), Durban (DUR) or
Johannesburg (JNB).
- Passports must be machine-readable to enter and transit.

Visa required, except for Passengers with a British normal
passport with nationality British Citizen for a maximum stay
of 90 days.
Visa required, except for Passengers with a British passport
with nationality British Overseas Territories Citizen for a
maximum stay of 90 days.
Visa required, except for Passengers with a British passport
with nationality British National (Overseas) for a maximum
stay of 30 days.
Minors:
- Minors younger than 18 years, traveling to/from South
Africa:

- This does not apply to holders of a valid visa.
Additional Information:
- Extension of stay for additional 90 days is possible, if


Warning:
- Passengers arriving in South Africa:
- are subject to medical screening; and
- must install COVID Alert South Africa mobile app.
- Passengers without a medical certificate with a negative
Coronavirus (COVID-19) test result issued at most 72 hours
before departure are subject to quarantine at their own
expense.
- Passports and passport replacing documents of all non-South
African nationals must contain at least 1 unused visa page

- Visitors with an extended machine readable passport are not
allowed to enter or transit South Africa.
- Visitors not holding return/onward tickets could be refused
entry. They must

- Brexit: The United Kingdom stopped being member of the
European Union (EU) and of the European Economic Area (EEA).
Regulations related to the EU and the EEA apply to the
United Kingdom until 31 December 2020.
Any way of seeing what the Timatic entry for ZA nationals travelling to ZA from Uk?
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Old Oct 7, 20, 8:45 am
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Originally Posted by Goldaviator View Post
Any way of seeing what the Timatic entry for ZA nationals travelling to ZA from Uk?
https://www.united.com/web/en-us/app...TIMATIC&POS=US
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Old Oct 8, 20, 1:00 pm
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I am also considering going to South Africa using the itinerary below with my wife, does anyone have any thoughts on if this is doable?:

Passenger 1 (Me): USA Passport + Sweden Passport
Passenger 2 (wife): USA passport

December 17th - Atlanta, USA to Sweden (transit via Amsterdam) DELTA- KLM
December 29th - Sweden to Cape Town, South Africa (transit via Amsterdam) KLM-KLM
January 9th 2021 - Cape Town to Atlanta, USA (direct)

From what I understand, we will have no problem going to Sweden (my citizenship + marriage to my wife).

What I can't tell is if I will have an issue going to South Africa given the above itinerary and our combination of citizenship?

Austin

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